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EarlG

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15. I thought Bush should have been impeached

Mon Mar 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

Mar 2019

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I think he committed war crimes.

Trump should be impeached also for his numerous obvious crimes. But my overarching feeling is that no matter how it's done, he needs to be peacefully and small-d democratically removed from power as soon as possible.

That goal could be achieved more quickly by not impeaching Trump -- let him twist and turn as his losses mount and his base wanes, and fatally wound his re-election chances.

The reason it could be achieved more quickly is that the alternative -- remove him from office through impeachment now -- cannot currently be achieved at all. We can impeach him, but the Senate will block it and he will remain president. Mission not accomplished.

So I don't disagree with Pelosi's strategy (at this time).

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My first impulse was to make this a very angry and indignant post about how betrayed [View all] Atticus Mar 2019 OP

Well said ... maryallen Mar 2019 #1

I trust Nancy. She is saying all the right things here. OrlandoDem2 Mar 2019 #2

If that makes you feel better, fine. As I said: "Whatever". nt Atticus Mar 2019 #4

lol. House Democrats must govern? shanny Mar 2019 #19

It's mind numbing BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #27

Bin cilla4progress Mar 2019 #43

Yes we can Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #61

I am with you a quadrillion % on this one. democratisphere Mar 2019 #53

Very well put Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #3

Even if that is truly what she thinks, Pelosi would have been better off just saying "she won't rule alwaysinasnit Mar 2019 #5

Nancy is right. Do you really think impeachment would be successful at this time? It wouldn't UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #6

Maybe not Timewas Mar 2019 #18

I totally agree...but crud Mar 2019 #21

What he has done is impeachable EarlG Mar 2019 #7

It's the second time she's taken the wind out of our sails Blues Heron Mar 2019 #10

I thought Bush should have been impeached EarlG Mar 2019 #15

Stepping Back, It's Pretty Obvious DallasNE Mar 2019 #35

After the failure to convict Bill Clinton in the Senate, the GOP completely fell apart ... remember? FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #75

And less than two years later, they were in the White House. BlueWI Mar 2019 #79

I concur with this Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #64

Different Law/Regulation In Place In 1972 DallasNE Mar 2019 #78

I didn't realize until last night when they showed a clip of pelosi back in bush era. She was Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #81

I am aware of all the arguments against impeachment. They are not necessarily wrong, Atticus Mar 2019 #16

Everything I've seen so far leads me to believe that Senate Republicans will not bail on Trump EarlG Mar 2019 #22

I have never insisted that Trump be impeached NOW, despite the fact there are several crimes Atticus Mar 2019 #32

the Speaker cannot impeach the President Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2019 #37

Atticus, I completely agree with you. GaYellowDawg Mar 2019 #29

Agree completely. Politics aside...do the right thing. Heard last night that one advantage Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #82

I agree. Hell, we all want him Cha Mar 2019 #45

Well said. Thanks, EarlG! pnwmom Mar 2019 #55

The powers that be would happily impeach him, but marylandblue Mar 2019 #8

I do so agree with you. well said. defacto7 Mar 2019 #48

Nancy really screwed this up. She's 100% wrong. manor321 Mar 2019 #9

I dont think so onetexan Mar 2019 #12

I disagree. Nancy knows WAY more than we do. MontanaMama Mar 2019 #34

Think of the end game. What do we really want? defacto7 Mar 2019 #51

Don't despair vapor2 Mar 2019 #11

She should have just stayed neutral. TDale313 Mar 2019 #13

It sounded neutral to me. She said that she's not for impeachment pnwmom Mar 2019 #24

+1. She should have said 'no comment' dalton99a Mar 2019 #54

Yep. She could have said Bettie Mar 2019 #70

Agree with you and Atticus. notdarkyet Mar 2019 #57

I trust her judgement. When the time is right she will strike. apcalc Mar 2019 #14

She did not say "It's not the right time". She said "He's not worth it". nt Atticus Mar 2019 #17

Unless there is something compelling and bipartisan, she said. apcalc Mar 2019 #72

My Ford, we all need to take a hit of soma, watoos Mar 2019 #20

Well said spike91nz Mar 2019 #23

This is about Pelosi's saying the 1st Branch can't remove him, so it's up to Mueller & SCOTUS. ancianita Mar 2019 #25

I remember the day it happened to me. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #26

Impeachment is still an option in this country nini Mar 2019 #28

Let me see if I have this correct.... Toorich Mar 2019 #30

Impeachment with no conviction in the Senate equals more years of Trump redstateblues Mar 2019 #31

No doubt about it. MontanaMama Mar 2019 #36

Exactly this! n/t Niagara Mar 2019 #52

We need 20 more votes in the Senate vlyons Mar 2019 #33

Our goal is to elect more Democrats to the Senate next year FakeNoose Mar 2019 #41

First of all, it's not just ... Whiskeytide Mar 2019 #38

Thanks for your kind words. As mentioned elsewhere, I have never insisted that we Atticus Mar 2019 #42

I understand that. I would not have worded it ... Whiskeytide Mar 2019 #63

Unfortunately, Nancy Pelosi is right patphil Mar 2019 #39

I heard Rick Wilson just now on MSNBC. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #40

He's right Cosmocat Mar 2019 #65

I Trust Nancy Pelosi - She's a Savvy Politician - I Also Agree With Her dlk Mar 2019 #44

You totally missed it. grantcart Mar 2019 #46

I'm with Nancy redstateblues Mar 2019 #47

I'm impatient too. PatrickforO Mar 2019 #49

Your final paragraph resonated with me MontanaFarmer Mar 2019 #58

more and more I see... Locrian Mar 2019 #74

K&R.... fantase56 Mar 2019 #50

This is my opinion and I have been a loyal never but a Democratic voter since 1971. PufPuf23 Mar 2019 #56

I'm not sure what to think Meowmee Mar 2019 #59

He should be impeached MFM008 Mar 2019 #60

Do you want to feel good, RichardRay Mar 2019 #62

The term is meaningless now Cosmocat Mar 2019 #66

Damn straight! MoonRiver Mar 2019 #67

She left the door open. In fact, I think she did Democrats a favor by taking all the Vinca Mar 2019 #68

Perfectly stated Bettie Mar 2019 #69

I believe this to be an overreaction. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #71

i can't understand why she even said it. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #77

Because it is being brought up often and she is the leader. NT WeekiWater Mar 2019 #80

Not trying to hijack the thread.... Toorich Mar 2019 #73

We'll have to be careful in the primaries, then! FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #76