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BeyondGeography

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72. I fully expect it to fail in the Senate

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 09:32 AM

Mar 2019

My point is we normalize criminality at an enormous price if we fail to hold Trump accountable for verifiable impeachable offenses (the evidence on obstruction is already there plus if Cohen is telling the truth Trump is guilty of five felonies) because of perceived political difficulties. We're not talking about a highway bill here.

If statements of principle don't do it for you, public impeachment hearings would be a far more effective way to put Trump and the Republicans on the defensive in advance of 2020 than passing legislation that has no hope of becoming law because, like impeachment, it lacks Senate support. I really don't get the queasiness. Too divisive? That's the weakest part of her argument.

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Can we just, for once, play the long game? [View all] kpete Mar 2019 OP

Death by a thousand cuts? Quemado Mar 2019 #1

My exact thought. That's the strategy. n/t slumcamper Mar 2019 #17

Same as with our candidate - Play long ball DownriverDem Mar 2019 #104

Waiting ok but have one problem with it. Bush produced Trump onit2day Mar 2019 #103

I agree 100%. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #2

And perhaps we can get.. cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #88

Well said... greblach Mar 2019 #89

I agree and am shocked............ MyOwnPeace Mar 2019 #92

We may not get a choice lunatica Mar 2019 #3

Excellent points. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #6

+1 Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #28

you are so feckn right crud Mar 2019 #39

And yet, 60 million people voted for him, and a similar number didn't bother MH1 Mar 2019 #69

Those who sat home and did not vote Andy823 Mar 2019 #80

My sentiments exactly GetRidOfThem Mar 2019 #87

Thanks elleng Mar 2019 #4

This isn't a game we are playing. If the President has committed impeachable offenses, Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #5

Political death...by a thousand cuts. slumcamper Mar 2019 #20

A "whiff beheading" does us no good. (nt) klook Mar 2019 #54

The thousand cuts has occurred. It hasn't dented his support. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #57

100% agree. Was so pissed off when I heard what Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #21

Thank you. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #58

I want someone to explain how this is some masterful 3 d chess game move. Saw panelists Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #63

Explanation maybe: Heard on MSNBC that Pelosi told Trump "we" aren't seeking impeachment. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #67

But what's to gain from that? Just to say if it happens it will be because Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #75

The irony is impeachment is all about the long game BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #31

impeachment means absolutely nothing if the Senate doesn't do its part themaguffin Mar 2019 #65

I fully expect it to fail in the Senate BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #72

I understand that, but unfortunately impeachment is a POLITIAL process, not a legal one themaguffin Mar 2019 #98

GWB and Cheney The Dick got away with starting two wars for fun and profit. OMGWTF Mar 2019 #102

But the Republicans aren't doing THEIR duty. And so... Beartracks Mar 2019 #32

I don't see any other point to the House investigations. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #59

Not following the law cause someone else is not following it is lawless. uponit7771 Mar 2019 #78

Agree spike91nz Mar 2019 #42

+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #51

How come you can't see the republicans are obstructing justice? nini Mar 2019 #82

Kicked and recommended. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #7

Huh? Nancy compared it to people asking for Bush's impeachment. manor321 Mar 2019 #8

Yeah,I was mad when she wouldn't impeach bush (and Cheney). notdarkyet Mar 2019 #53

The only way Pelosi makes sense watoos Mar 2019 #9

That makes no sense either. If true say. We think Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #22

This is a political move that makes sense, Ilsa Mar 2019 #10

So I guess George Bush wasn't worth the effort either. That turned out great. BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #11

I don't know, Mr.Bill Mar 2019 #12

My take on it, that was the moment that Republicans knew they could just go FULL BORE OBSTRUCTION BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #15

Bingo! watoos Mar 2019 #23

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #81

No it didn't, Bush won a second term !!! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #79

It meant we were able, just barely, to get Obamacare passed. He had a very short window pnwmom Mar 2019 #18

Joe Lieberman cost us the public option in Obamacare. watoos Mar 2019 #25

Yes, the Independent Sen. from CT, the heart of the insurance industry, cost us the public option. pnwmom Mar 2019 #37

Speaker Pelosi knows more than we do. aeromanKC Mar 2019 #13

Ugh. This blind Faith is getting very old. No offense Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #24

It's not blind faith, really, watoos Mar 2019 #29

Have no idea what is to gain by making a statement Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #36

It's not blind faith, but more knowing Pelosi knows how to play 3D chess better than I do aeromanKC Mar 2019 #47

Yes, agree, the more charges against the travesty of a president we have is good. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #56

impeachment is a long process orleans Mar 2019 #14

To me, impeachment would be playing the long game Poiuyt Mar 2019 #16

This Sugarcoated Mar 2019 #30

I am liking the way you are thinking..... Dixc Mar 2019 #19

Contrary to what we hear from the M$M, watoos Mar 2019 #34

I don't follow your post Dixc Mar 2019 #109

My wish for Trump??? mgardener Mar 2019 #26

You know, if someone dumped a bucket of water over Trump's head, PatrickforO Mar 2019 #46

I like to optics of which you speak. pazzyanne Mar 2019 #71

Ah, no wonder he keeps worrying about a witch hunt FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #95

Thank you!! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #27

Totally agree with you and with Speaker Pelosi solara Mar 2019 #33

Democrats have to contend with the M$M, watoos Mar 2019 #35

ditto yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2019 #38

Yes, we can. We know the deal. ancianita Mar 2019 #40

Agreed. I just heard Rick Wilson on MSNBC. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #41

Rick Wilson is a republican Bettie Mar 2019 #62

So what if he is? He's an ally, NOT a friend. DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #66

impeachment does not mean jailing or removal uponit7771 Mar 2019 #83

Right. It is merely INDICTMENT, done by the House. DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #91

I don't trust crushing them in the polls when the Russians are still helping the Republicans. There' uponit7771 Mar 2019 #97

The Russians ARE NOT SUPERMEN. DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #99

They dont have to be super when Trump ... HIMSELF ... sought after and received their help last time uponit7771 Mar 2019 #100

That's an interesting blog PatrickforO Mar 2019 #43

I want him to be impeached by the House even though he won't be removed by the deurbano Mar 2019 #44

I remember "Bush is toast!" and Fitzmas. I'm still waiting. 🤔 oregonjen Mar 2019 #45

It was 24 "business" hours. pamela Mar 2019 #49

Not saying tRump is not worth impeaching would have been playing the long game. CentralMass Mar 2019 #48

How long you gonna keep your ever dry? GeorgeGist Mar 2019 #50

Amen! Thank you for your post! chillfactor Mar 2019 #52

She said she would consider it if it was Bettie Mar 2019 #64

I'm definitely not for Pence becoming President before Election 2020. oasis Mar 2019 #55

+1000s DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #68

That's my thinking too. LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #74

Independents and Never Trumpers would embrace a President Pence. oasis Mar 2019 #112

Agreed, we definitely need to play the long game jimlup Mar 2019 #60

The long game involves doing nothing that helps NoMoreRepugs Mar 2019 #61

WE don't make the decisons Bettie Mar 2019 #70

WE vote, Skidmore Mar 2019 #73

Patience, dear Bettie. pazzyanne Mar 2019 #76

Thanks for being kind Bettie Mar 2019 #84

I totally understand the bouts of dispair. pazzyanne Mar 2019 #85

Check out Berrea College for your son. It's a wonderful college, and free. mahina Mar 2019 #93

Wow. I had never heard of that Bettie Mar 2019 #94

Just a note that its 18 days till the applications are due. mahina Mar 2019 #107

There are ways to avoid student loans and still have a education PinkTiger Mar 2019 #106

Count me in. Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #77

I would love to have seen Trump's face, TNNurse Mar 2019 #86

I want to see drmeow Mar 2019 #90

I think the issue is more about her choice of words and the message it sends. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #96

I agree customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #101

The Rude Pundit gets it right in his latest column: Paladin Mar 2019 #105

Yes. This x 100! Politicub Mar 2019 #108

My namesake has a point. As it happens, I trust Mme Speaker, too. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #110

Take some advise from Orson Wells - heckles65 Mar 2019 #111

So how long is the long game anyway? BlueWI Mar 2019 #113