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octoberlib

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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 06:17 PM Mar 2019

Boeing 737 Max 8 pilots complained to feds for months about suspected safety flaw [View all]

Pilots repeatedly voiced safety concerns about the Boeing 737 Max 8 to federal authorities, with one captain calling the flight manual "inadequate and almost criminally insufficient" several months before Sunday's Ethiopian Air crash that killed 157 people, an investigation by The Dallas Morning News found.

The complaints are about the safety mechanism cited in preliminary reports for an October plane crash in Indonesia that killed 189. The disclosures found by The News reference problems during Boeing 737 Max 8 flights with an autopilot system, and they all occurred while trying to gain altitude during takeoff -- many mentioned the plane turning nose down suddenly. While records show these flights occurred during October and November, the information about which airlines the pilots were flying for is redacted from the database.


At least 18 carriers — including American Airlines and Southwest Airlines, the two largest U.S. carriers flying the 737 Max 8 — have also declined to ground planes, saying they are confident in the safety and "airworthiness" of their fleets. American and Southwest have 24 and 34 of the aircraft in their fleets, respectively.

The fifth complaint from the captain who called into question the 737 Max 8's flight manual ended: "The fact that this airplane requires such jury-rigging to fly is a red flag. Now we know the systems employed are error-prone — even if the pilots aren't sure what those systems are, what redundancies are in place and failure modes. I am left to wonder: what else don't I know?"

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2019/03/12/boeing-737-max-8-pilots-complained-feds-months-suspected-safety-flaw

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But, but, but... Lefta Dissenter Mar 2019 #1
It is always "Pilot Error" anyway LiberalArkie Mar 2019 #3
Did Boeing say the Autopilot system was "fine"? maxsolomon Mar 2019 #4
Finally someone picks up on articles at The Air Current..see #5 comment on thread..n/t asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #10
the one from "asd"? maxsolomon Mar 2019 #14
Unbelievable malaise Mar 2019 #2
See links #5 comment Malaise - is an OMG....n/t asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #6
Thanks for these links malaise Mar 2019 #11
The Air Current article..with important links w/i - China has ground 737 Max 8 fleet.. asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #5
Thanks for the links! octoberlib Mar 2019 #9
Informative articles. So the MAX8 was developed and rushed into service due octoberlib Mar 2019 #15
Yup, and they have 5,000 orders outstanding DrToast Mar 2019 #16
Rachel discussing this now malaise Mar 2019 #20
How silly of them to complain -- they're not the ones who own Congress. nt gateley Mar 2019 #7
From Air Current octoberlib Mar 2019 #13
I'm guessing Trump isn't the only one who Boeing has been generous with. nt gateley Mar 2019 #19
Wonder if Air force 1 is a 737......hmmmmm. n/t dixiegrrrrl Mar 2019 #21
It isnt. The Truth Is Here Mar 2019 #33
Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System Dennis Donovan Mar 2019 #8
Yes...ground the 737 Max 8....see comment #5 on this thread...n/t.... asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #12
passengers could refuse to board such aircraft. do pilots have a union? nt msongs Mar 2019 #17
They should. I know I will and yes , the pilots union is ALPA. octoberlib Mar 2019 #18
This will only change when Boeing loses $$$$$. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #22
This doesn't sound good. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #23
Cancel your flights on these planes, folks. roamer65 Mar 2019 #24
Guess I'll be avoiding Southwest Airlines (my fav carrier) for awhile until this gets resolved. Liberal In Texas Mar 2019 #25
Pilots have all the power in the world liberal N proud Mar 2019 #26
bingo. nt ecstatic Mar 2019 #31
today trump basically tweeted mercuryblues Mar 2019 #27
Lets hope that black box data from this flight yields some answers quickly. CentralMass Mar 2019 #28
$8.8B of your tax ollars fund TSA. Apparently none of that actually goes towards fixing problems. nt MadDAsHell Mar 2019 #29
Very disturbing. Watching Rachel now. The problem with the "oh, just disengage autopilot" response ecstatic Mar 2019 #30
According to Air Current, the problem is the engine is too powerful for the plane. octoberlib Mar 2019 #35
K&R!!! burrowowl Mar 2019 #32
Our greed is killing us. Our greed is killing the planet. lindysalsagal Mar 2019 #34
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