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In reply to the discussion: Democrats should counter the "Socialism" scare by committing to Social-Democracy. [View all]PatrickforO
(14,573 posts)45. Interesting. Now, I like a mixed socialist and free market, a la northern
Europe.
I suppose philosophically (or ideologically) you could call me a Social Democrat. Or, a Democratic Socialist.
Ah, but the question you raise is whether Social Security can fairly be called a 'socialist' program. While my answer is clearly 'yes,' it seems best to bring in a third party.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/122916/are-social-security-benefits-form-socialism.asp. After defining a bunch of terms, they make the following conclusion:
Nevertheless, because the American government plays such a dominant role in the U.S. Social Security system deciding how much and when employees and employers pay into the system, how much individuals receive in benefits when they get them, and preventing almost everyone from opting out it seems fair to call the Social Security program a form of socialism.
So there you have it. Funny the Republicans are vowing this country will 'never go socialist.'
But don't worry. This country is no longer a republic, and may only loosely be called a 'democracy.' No, what we have now is a fascist oligarchy, where a very few people own most of the wealth, and the politicians are owned by PAC money, lobbies and corporations. They have no political courage because they are on the gravy train. Most are so afraid of not being reelected they won't lift a finger to enact legislation that actually makes our lives better.
Instead, we get a giant tax cut for billionaires and corporations, as if they didn't already have enough, that has essentially gutted our treasury and will ultimately force massive cuts to Social Security, Medicare, all safety net programs, basically all non-military discretionary spending.
And, we have a rather sinister administration in power that is very much like an old mafiosi caporegime. Donald is the Don, Eric and Don Jr. are Fredo and Santino, Ivanka is Connie, and Jared Kushner is Carlo Rossi. But they are small potatoes. They report to bigger bosses, Russian oligarchs.
Then we have Pence and the holy-rollers, who would impose a 'christian' Sharia law upon us, while still letting the oligarchs have our treasury - as long as abortion is illegal, they are fine with that.
Finally, there is a pretty large group, mostly in the Tea Party and Trumpers, who genuinely believe that there is nothing worth saving about the republic that is the United States in specific and western democracies in general. This group is purposely and purposefully tearing down our institutions - consider the gutting of the EPA, the criticisms of the press, Betsy DeVos sabotaging the student loan forgiveness program, Trump publicly disagreeing numerous times with national security leaders. This is a purposeful wrecking of our republic - an effort to tear the whole thing down.
So, about half of our party is quaking like jelly at the prospect of being labeled 'socialist,' and the other half is saying, "Whatever you might call it, we need a green new deal now, healthcare, expanded Social Security and debt-free college."
We are in for, I think, a time of upheaval. The only ones who can possibly save this republic from being torn apart, and its pieces handed to international oligarchs while we ourselves are made into wage slaves, and then real slaves, is the new kids in Congress. The ones like AOC, Omar and Tlaib, who are speaking truth to power because they don't care if they are one-term Representatives - they want to wake up the people to what's going on and give us back our power.
By way of prognosticating, IF, and it is a big IF, we discover how powerful we the people really are, stop being afraid of these greed-heads and band together to make some real reforms, we might well save those things that are worth saving, and make those things better that need improvement.
But, no, I won't split hairs with you on whether or not Social Security and Medicare are forms of socialism or not. I don't care. What I care about is having more say in policies that affect me. I'm sick of my tax money being routed to corporate profits or billionaires instead of being used for programs that help me, my children and my grandchildren. Medicare for all Americans, a Green New Deal. Expanded Social Security. Infrastructure programs so that we can rebuild/upgrade as part of the Green New Deal. Heavily subsidized childcare, early childhood education, a K-12 system that's the envy of the world, and debt-free college and graduate school.
And to make all this possible, let us pull out the root cause of the evil that besets us: the primacy of the shareholder doctrine. If corporations want to do business here, we need to force them to change their charters - put workers on their Boards of Directors, and consider the welfare of workers, consumers and the environment equally with shareholder profits.
My...wasn't that the verbal gush? It is how I feel though, after 60 years of working my ass off in this capitalist utopia and getting nickel and dimed so much day after day, year after year, that I have less purchasing power now than I did back in the 90s. That isn't good enough. We are better than that.
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Democrats should counter the "Socialism" scare by committing to Social-Democracy. [View all]
DetlefK
Mar 2019
OP
Yes but it's not socialism. The Scandinavian countries are always at the top
octoberlib
Mar 2019
#43
The Democratic Party should leave the word "social" out of their identity altogether
Honeycombe8
Mar 2019
#4
I agree. It's a negative connotation even though it may have some positive attributes.
Firestorm49
Mar 2019
#22
There are 86 million Millennials. They now outnumber Boomers in the workplace.
PatrickforO
Mar 2019
#47
Democrats are about Unity, NOT Uniformity. Different Americans must learn to live with difference.
ancianita
Mar 2019
#9
This is very good. We could also call it "Civilization" or "Cooperation" or "Society"
ProfessorPlum
Mar 2019
#11
Why must we re-define or even define our system and/or our Party. MOST of us (even on the right)...
George II
Mar 2019
#13
Ironic since the DSA backs the Democratic Socialist dictatorship in Venezuela to the hilt, shouting:
CrossingTheRubicon
Mar 2019
#40
We should embrace Liberalism, which includes progressive well-regulated capitalism.
CrossingTheRubicon
Mar 2019
#16
AS a Democratic Socialist here are two people that explain my "socialism" reported by O'Donnell
turbinetree
Mar 2019
#19
Don't quibble over precise definitions, just hit them in the face with what they are doing
JHB
Mar 2019
#20
We had a president whose administration was informed by the principles of social democracy.
lapucelle
Mar 2019
#56
I am not using 'buzzwords' at all. I am correctly (from widely accepted academic definitions)
Celerity
Mar 2019
#67
You're not "correcting" anything. You're disseminating an idiosyncratic interpretation of a term.
lapucelle
Mar 2019
#68
I like your strawman of socialism that is contradicted by the first paragraph of the wiki articled.
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2019
#44
No, you said: "Socialism is the control of all property by society as a whole." Which is...
Humanist_Activist
Mar 2019
#59