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246. Please. Sanders copied and tweaked Democratic policies

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 06:06 AM

Mar 2019

to sell them as different. And they certainly turned out to be when ALL expert analyses found them unworkable as presented.

Most of those who "flocked" to Sanders in repudiation of the Democratic Party did so because he presented himself as a populist leader feeding mindless hostilities toward "elites," focusing them above all not on Republicans but on the Democratic Party's evil establishment. Our Democratic platform of widespread progressive and civil rights advances just didn't satisfy that resentful populist urge to tear down. Misogyny was huge, also, of course, but came natural to many in this crowd.

There is a definite authoritarian note to his delivery, also, which I noted from the beginning. That compelling "I alone can fix it" note from both him and Trump. You might want to read up on authoritarian populism to help understand why somewhere between 12 and 20% of Sanders' followers voted for Trump or anti-progressive libertarian Johnson.

Looking at this left-wing leader that way also helps explain how he could try to illicitly take the primary nomination away from the majority of Democratic voters. He believed his followers would support oversetting the democratic process. Enthusiastically. And my observations of the rage of the JPR types when he failed were that he was appallingly, frighteningly correct.

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Our friends at JPR seem to have lost their unity... [View all] brooklynite Mar 2019 OP

It was never about Bernie. irresistable Mar 2019 #1

just HRC hate? (asking...?) hlthe2b Mar 2019 #4

No, it was about policy. irresistable Mar 2019 #6

I hope they're pleased with their president. athena Mar 2019 #11

Their view is that Bernie would have defeated Trump. irresistable Mar 2019 #12

Hillary would have been astounding. (I echo your scarcasim ..... ) trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #107

Really? I don't believe that. Adrahil Mar 2019 #37

People who disagree with you on policy can also be filled with bile and vitriol. irresistable Mar 2019 #39

In fact, that seems to drive their allegiance. Whatsoever validates their hate and entitlement ehrnst Mar 2019 #264

Sorry but.... Bull....shit. MrGrieves Mar 2019 #51

How would you know, since you have only been on this site since Nov.? irresistable Mar 2019 #58

Wrong. I have been on this site since 2004. MrGrieves Mar 2019 #63

Why did you have to switch usernames? irresistable Mar 2019 #65

What the fuck is it to you? And what does it have to do with JPR? MrGrieves Mar 2019 #67

You volunteered the info. I was just curious. irresistable Mar 2019 #71

Again what does this have to do with the topic at hand? MrGrieves Mar 2019 #92

You're demanding that of someone else? ehrnst Mar 2019 #265

Asking a question isn't a demand. irresistable Mar 2019 #268

All depends on how you "ask." ehrnst Mar 2019 #270

When they didn't answer, I didn't demand it. Are you demanding an answer of me? irresistable Mar 2019 #272

That turned into a straw man pretty quickly, didn't it? ehrnst Mar 2019 #274

I am not defensive! How dare you accuse me of being defensive! irresistable Mar 2019 #275

Quick thinking there.... ehrnst Mar 2019 #276

Bwahahahahhahaha MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #55

since I never saw that, you will have to show me that post. irresistable Mar 2019 #60

I don't have to do shit. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #62

He's making friends today, isn't he? Hekate Mar 2019 #115

... Cha Mar 2019 #131

Love your response! yardwork Mar 2019 #149

It is known. LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #154

Just do a search of "fuck her" on the assholes front page. Or any other derogatory you favor. fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #183

Hmm, I just searched "cunt" on their front page. Apparently Biden is a cunt now too. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #206

:) Thank you for your service. Perhaps once every Hortensis Mar 2019 #245

"Policy".. Cha Mar 2019 #234

Candidates entering the horse race signals the migration of ratfuckers and bots. fleabiscuit Mar 2019 #315

Yes.. 2.0. Cha Mar 2019 #316

Resistable Cary Mar 2019 #251

Yep. Tipperary Mar 2019 #73

Lol they didn't give a shit about policy. They never met a RW conspiracy about Clinton they emulatorloo Mar 2019 #159

Why didn't I see any of that when I went there? irresistable Mar 2019 #162

Don't even think about gaslighting us with "the i never saw it" routine emulatorloo Mar 2019 #166

It is easy to throw around accusations if you don't back them up. irresistable Mar 2019 #168

We're done. Maybe someone else will dig up the banned because she objected to the word Cunt emulatorloo Mar 2019 #172

I can live with your inability to provide proof...but now you imagine what my reponse would be.... irresistable Mar 2019 #173

I did a google for you because you seem to need help with that: Banned for objecting to Cunt Word emulatorloo Mar 2019 #182

No one in that thread was using words to attack anyone. irresistable Mar 2019 #208

As I wrote: "It's not worth my time as you'll move the goal posts or try to handwave it away. " emulatorloo Mar 2019 #213

It all seems to come from one person JonLP24 Mar 2019 #239

There was a lot of anger on both sides after the primary, and most of that anger remains... irresistable Mar 2019 #277

Stop trolling. MrGrieves Mar 2019 #198

Ironic message. marble falls Mar 2019 #286

If this is talk about "policy," then I'm glad none of these people are in Congress: DFW Mar 2019 #288

Where's that sealion? mcar Mar 2019 #177

Everywhere in this thread! Squinch Mar 2019 #307

Yep mcar Mar 2019 #311

Yes, he is acting in "bad faith". Just Cha Mar 2019 #218

Sez you.. who claims if you "didn't see it".. it Cha Mar 2019 #216

The old "absence of evidence equals evidence of absence" ehrnst Mar 2019 #282

He knows damn well it happened. Cha Mar 2019 #295

.... ehrnst Mar 2019 #297

Have you ever been on JPR? mcar Mar 2019 #175

Their feelings are driven by policy.... irresistable Mar 2019 #176

... mcar Mar 2019 #178

... OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #205

LOL redstateblues Mar 2019 #207

JPR's feelings are driven by entitlement. And their policy preferences are driven by their feelings ehrnst Mar 2019 #261

Oh jeez NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #294

It's about butthurt because Democrats did not bow to their entitlement. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #260

Yup. It was anti-HRC, anti-Obama hate...nt SidDithers Mar 2019 #34

Just look at the pasted post below. I think it pretty much answers your question DFW Mar 2019 #289

confirming what I'd believed... n/t hlthe2b Mar 2019 #290

"It was never about Bernie" R B Garr Mar 2019 #16

The split between 3 candidates proves my point. irresistable Mar 2019 #19

Valid point. H2O Man Mar 2019 #23

"It was never about Bernie" R B Garr Mar 2019 #24

Bernie's policies are dominating the 2020 primary. irresistable Mar 2019 #27

"It was never about Bernie" R B Garr Mar 2019 #29

Guess who it isn't about. irresistable Mar 2019 #35

I don't know. Who? ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #41

That is a question to be answered by the person taunting me with... irresistable Mar 2019 #46

There is nothing to answer because... R B Garr Mar 2019 #47

. ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #48

How disingenuous to say it was never about policy. People flocked to Bernie because of policy. irresistable Mar 2019 #68

How disingenuous to say it was never about Bernie. R B Garr Mar 2019 #75

Maybe this time will be different. Not everyone views things through your cynical lens. irresistable Mar 2019 #76

Wrong again. Bernie lost in 2016 AND 2018, slip R B Garr Mar 2019 #78

Bernie seems to be doing very well. irresistable Mar 2019 #80

Nothing disproves the savior theory because we are not R B Garr Mar 2019 #84

Will you vote for our Lord and Savior, Bernie....should he win the nomination? irresistable Mar 2019 #87

That's laughable coming from a known anti/Democrat R B Garr Mar 2019 #88

So, you won't vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination? irresistable Mar 2019 #89

...... R B Garr Mar 2019 #91

No, My concern is about those who can't bring themselves to say that they will support our nominee. irresistable Mar 2019 #94

JPR is where your concern should be. R B Garr Mar 2019 #97

Maybe I should say "my nominee", since you won't commit to vote for the Democratic nominee. irresistable Mar 2019 #98

JPR is where your concern should be. R B Garr Mar 2019 #99

Why in the world would your hand do that? ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #102

Not to piss on your parade... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #112

Not really talking about them. No piss need be involved ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #113

Bernie started the 2016 primaries with 3% name recognition Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #164

If and when Bernie loses the primary, John Fante Mar 2019 #153

What will you do if and when Bernie wins the primary? irresistable Mar 2019 #155

Vote for him in a general election. John Fante Mar 2019 #161

Where are all of these Bernie Busters that you imagine? irresistable Mar 2019 #163

Handing WI/MI/PA to Trump. John Fante Mar 2019 #184

White populism and backlash to "identity politics" radius777 Mar 2019 #156

I never met anybody like that at Bernie rallies or meetings. irresistable Mar 2019 #160

Excuse me, but i would like to see receipts. Show me the majority brown Bernie rally. The Polack MSgt Mar 2019 #309

In other words; racism GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #222

Here ya go. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #195

Please. Sanders copied and tweaked Democratic policies Hortensis Mar 2019 #246

You have constructed quite a fantasy there. Do you write fantasy novels for a living. irresistable Mar 2019 #269

Whoa.. look who's talking. Cha Mar 2019 #293

One only need look at "Medicare for All" as though it's a revolutionary idea that "Democrats".... George II Mar 2019 #271

:). Literally true! Hortensis Mar 2019 #281

Ted Kennedy said that one of his greatest career regrets was walking away from a deal with Nixon ehrnst Mar 2019 #284

"Flocked?" (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #262

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #279

.... ehrnst Mar 2019 #280

"It was never about bernie".. Cha Mar 2019 #236

It doen't "prove" anything other Cha Mar 2019 #296

"It was never about Bernie" stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #128

IKR! That Blows his Cred.. right Cha Mar 2019 #134

Hi Cha how are you ? stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #142

Aloha, stonecutter! Cha Mar 2019 #143

I,m doing good today but we have big storms coming to Alabama tomorrow. stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #146

Be safe! Cha Mar 2019 #147

But he never saw anything bad happening! It is all a myth! emulatorloo Mar 2019 #167

' It was never about Bernie'... revmclaren Mar 2019 #136

it was about his ideas....why else do you think they liked him? irresistable Mar 2019 #137

I read and saved a lot of the posts at JPR revmclaren Mar 2019 #138

It was the disembodied Bernie? OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #148

Rofl.. "Feel the Policies.." Cha Mar 2019 #240

The narcissism of small differences DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #2

+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #116

OUCH. My empathy felt that burn The Polack MSgt Mar 2019 #310

so, it seems they only have 346 registered members? hlthe2b Mar 2019 #3

It's quality, not quantity, that counts? brooklynite Mar 2019 #5

Quality was never their strong suit. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #56

See.. now that Is Idiotic.. they also Cha Mar 2019 #141

Anyone so-called lefty who argued that kind of absurd bullshit John Fante Mar 2019 #158

Let's be sure it doesn't happen here. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #7

From what I can see, there are only a few members who are MineralMan Mar 2019 #8

It isn't a money making operation, like DU is. No ads. irresistable Mar 2019 #9

I see. Well, without a strong group of active members who post regularly and reply, MineralMan Mar 2019 #13

I just see it as a safe space for disaffected DUers. irresistable Mar 2019 #15

I no longer see it at all. MineralMan Mar 2019 #18

yet you take the time to comment on it. irresistable Mar 2019 #21

Yes, I did take some time. I even went to the site, MineralMan Mar 2019 #26

you said that the site was irrelevant...so irrelevant that you visited it. irresistable Mar 2019 #30

Oh, for pete's sake... MineralMan Mar 2019 #31

Yes. You really should. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #52

Oh, Hi, there. MineralMan Mar 2019 #53

A dying site with a member list falling is irrelevant MrGrieves Mar 2019 #59

It only makes sense that a forum about the 2016 election Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #169

It wasn't about the 2016 election. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #200

Once the election ended, it fizzled Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #211

It was never not fizzled. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #217

Very true. cwydro Mar 2019 #145

You mean a safe place for those that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in in 2016 still_one Mar 2019 #40

Some people there voted for Hillary....I posted the fact that I did on that site. irresistable Mar 2019 #42

Sorry, but don't piss on my back, and tell me it is raining. Calling President Obama a "POS used still_one Mar 2019 #49

I'm not giving a blanket pass for everything ever posted on that site. irresistable Mar 2019 #54

"But the root of discontent there was policy based." TwilightZone Mar 2019 #64

WP is/was not a member there. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #101

It was there Grasswire, it's been linked to many times. The policy was that it was OK to use seaglass Mar 2019 #108

"Page Not Found. Oops, it looks like this page does not exist." ronnie624 Mar 2019 #117

That's pretty much what I said, they lost their history/archives. Stockholmer is a fan of the word. seaglass Mar 2019 #129

Here ya go. Enjoy. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #223

Of course HRC was called a cunt there.. Screen shots in this post. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #224

Yeah. it was here, and people got tombstoned for it. It was an ugly time here still_one Mar 2019 #228

sigh irresistable Mar 2019 #188

They literally started the site so they could call HRC the C word mcar Mar 2019 #185

oh, please. irresistable Mar 2019 #189

Thank you mcar Mar 2019 #191

Still, when the hamster pellets give out the wheel that keeps the JPR site running will stop. ... Hekate Mar 2019 #118

Many people post here without supporting the site. irresistable Mar 2019 #124

You sure seem obsessed about ads on a website. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #230

Not really....What I'm really obsessed with is... irresistable Mar 2019 #231

Users who became disaffected Codeine Mar 2019 #123

But it was only ever about "the policies" according to them... Hekate Mar 2019 #150

Manny was one of the ones that ran it. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #298

Remind me: who were the original founders? It certainly wasn't JackPineRadical, who sadly was gone hlthe2b Mar 2019 #44

If I remember correctly, it was Manny Goldstein and a few MineralMan Mar 2019 #45

Is that where Nadin went? lpbk2713 Mar 2019 #82

I think she was there for a while, but not long. MineralMan Mar 2019 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #209

If memory serves, Nadin even managed to get herself banned from JPR. Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #219

Yes, she went, and others, and while I am not going to go after Nadine who is not here to defend still_one Mar 2019 #229

Manny. Now there's a name to conjure with. ... Hekate Mar 2019 #119

Always half-suspected Manny worked for a Rove type. Attack Dems from the left, rarely if ever emulatorloo Mar 2019 #256

He really seemed to enjoy himself... Hekate Mar 2019 #283

His "Third Way Manny" routine was not nearly as clever as he imagined it to be. I tended to call emulatorloo Mar 2019 #285

Manny who was banned here for his racism mcar Mar 2019 #186

His fried chicken and watermelon posts on MLK Day. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #299

SMDH mcar Mar 2019 #312

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Mar 2019 #300

It was Manny Goldstein and marym625.. Cha Mar 2019 #241

Manny, of course.. marym625 surprises me just a little bit. hlthe2b Mar 2019 #252

I know it was disappointing Cha Mar 2019 #253

I remember it being Manny and WillyT (of AA voters have "Stockholm Syndrome" fame) emulatorloo Mar 2019 #254

that makes sense... Are any of the three still over there? (curious with the "new management") hlthe2b Mar 2019 #255

Haven't visited the site in several years until today, not sure if they are there any more emulatorloo Mar 2019 #258

Indeed.... n/t hlthe2b Mar 2019 #259

Yep. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #301

I knew that Cha Mar 2019 #302

Then why join DU? Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #36

I'm a Democrat. irresistable Mar 2019 #38

as someone who runs a member driven forum... MrGrieves Mar 2019 #57

They probably realized that going round in circles about 2016 was pointless Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #170

I support your support of the site that is the offspring of DU. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #72

I agree and I miss many of them too. MuseRider Mar 2019 #74

JPR has been exposed time and time again Cha Mar 2019 #140

There are a lot of members that left DU too JonLP24 Mar 2019 #238

I thought that place crashed months ago. Tipperary Mar 2019 #10

Awesome! Mr Tibbs Mar 2019 #14

Sometimes they come back. A quote by ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #17

Yes, and some have come back manny times. nt R B Garr Mar 2019 #20

LOL....good one. irresistable Mar 2019 #22

You seem to admit it... GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #225

You get as many guesses as you like. irresistable Mar 2019 #232

clever... hlthe2b Mar 2019 #25

Hmm...whatever can you mean? MineralMan Mar 2019 #28

*snort* ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #33

Well played! revmclaren Mar 2019 #81

... lapucelle Mar 2019 #214

I see what you did there. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #303

Perfect. Yes they do. Cha Mar 2019 #242

Part of the Bot Network? Wellstone ruled Mar 2019 #32

Most of them are here. nt Andy823 Mar 2019 #43

Mother Russia will soon give them guidance Renew Deal Mar 2019 #50

Probably not. MineralMan Mar 2019 #61

I wonder if a bunch of DU people are over there stirring up trouble? Wouldn't want to disrupt Happyhippychick Mar 2019 #66

LOL! Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #212

My first percept was "at JPR have lost their sanity...". Then I reread it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #69

I have no friends there. pwb Mar 2019 #70

that's kind of sad. nt Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #95

What about Beto? Gothmog Mar 2019 #77

I like threads like these Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #79

Your description is incomplete. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #85

I assume that autocorrect Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #90

maybe the "fellow liberals and progressives...." you speak of.. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #93

What unity? sfwriter Mar 2019 #83

Tulsi Gabbard? Pompoy Mar 2019 #86

Isn't it a violation of DU rules to re-litigate 2016 primary? nt Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #96

Did Gabbard and Warren run in 2016? MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #103

LOL SMH nt Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #104

So I guess the Democratic Party nominee won't be needing every possible vote in 2020? Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #106

That was some segue. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #110

JPR members are useless. They have already proven once that they are selfish and aren't seaglass Mar 2019 #111

Why even have this thread at all? The Truth Is Here Mar 2019 #127

Why not have this thread? It's fun. seaglass Mar 2019 #132

... Cha Mar 2019 #135

It's still up? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #100

I see they have upgraded their website. GentryDixon Mar 2019 #105

Seems to me most have come back here. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #109

If so, let's prepare ourselves for total chaos once again. athena Mar 2019 #114

I remember. I had to stop posting till after the convention. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #125

Jack Pine Russians? roamer65 Mar 2019 #120

I lulz'd KG Mar 2019 #122

What's JPR? The Truth Is Here Mar 2019 #126

Yep. When the apparent candidate rejects socialism, GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #133

JPR / russian cricist actors ! stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #130

JPR...Just Putin's Radicals... revmclaren Mar 2019 #139

Omygerd, there's a post about this post over there and it's hilarious. betsuni Mar 2019 #144

Still beating the dead Brock horse, huh? TwilightZone Mar 2019 #151

Yup, poor Brock is STILL paying us all to post here. betsuni Mar 2019 #190

hmmm.. ok, I have to ask hlthe2b Mar 2019 #187

Site Voldemort, their name for DU. betsuni Mar 2019 #192

hmm. hlthe2b Mar 2019 #194

site voldemort TwilightZone Mar 2019 #193

well alrightee... hlthe2b Mar 2019 #196

I always thought it was kind of funny in a twisted way. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #197

They'll grasp onto Cha Mar 2019 #243

That explains the influx. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #152

Um, yeah. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #157

My Democratic Party (for forty years) is............. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #165

What a joke jcgoldie Mar 2019 #171

Yeah, right. Like we have no memory! GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #180

Agreed, we lived through this. We do have memories, and I remember everything. Yet we are being emulatorloo Mar 2019 #199

Poor dears mcar Mar 2019 #174

A gift for the "climate" denialists: OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #179

Thank you. Our friend swears he never say anybody call Hilary a cunt, I ass-ume he'll try to claim emulatorloo Mar 2019 #220

"dorkzilla" is such a Brainwashed little twit. Cha Mar 2019 #235

TM99 voted for Trump. His nastiness got him banned from JPR, not his vote. n/t seaglass Mar 2019 #247

Pretty sure they got canned at DI as well. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #304

Crickets... ehrnst Mar 2019 #266

In your example, the moderator explicitly states that the "c" word is not allowed on JPR... irresistable Mar 2019 #267

... against another member. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #273

Good, because I'm not trying to fool anyone. irresistable Mar 2019 #278

Glad you posted this RhodeIslandOne Mar 2019 #313

Looks like they sent one of their trolls over to post in this thread. Squinch Mar 2019 #181

Yeah, just like old times. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #201

Short straw? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #305

"It was all about PAWHLICY"! OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #202

lol TwilightZone Mar 2019 #204

Heh betsuni Mar 2019 #215

... emulatorloo Mar 2019 #221

Ouch! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #227

LOL@All Things BS! Cha Mar 2019 #233

"It was all about PAWHLICY"! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #306

The only thing that unifies them... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #203

JPR is a personality disorder collective Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #210

And its like back to the future. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #226

A lot of posters are gone from this site as well as that one JonLP24 Mar 2019 #237

Why do people care what JPR says? betsuni Mar 2019 #248

I think Republicans are the bigger problem JonLP24 Mar 2019 #250

I am truly sorry you are feeling DU is too hostile for you. I for one would hate to see you go. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #287

Thank you for the kind words JonLP24 Mar 2019 #291

Yes Warren's great! She's on my shortlist as well. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #292

Are these JPR folks some of those HRC-hating assholes who helped elect Trump? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #244

Yes. betsuni Mar 2019 #249

Swine. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #257

They have issues dealing with dissent. ehrnst Mar 2019 #263

I'm out of the loop with this. What exactly happened with the people at that website? Afromania Mar 2019 #308

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Mar 2019 #314