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17. Is all criminal prosecution unjust, when we do not know in advance if the charges are true?

Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:13 AM

Aug 2012

A Swedish court ordered Assange's arrest; a higher court upheld the arrest order when Assange appealed. The Swedes took out a warrant; Assange contested that for about a year and a half; the Swedes won at every level

It's now appropriately a matter for the Swedish criminal justice system

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Rape and the left: Assange, Galloway and the problem with women [View all] struggle4progress Aug 2012 OP

Not two women LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #1

Please get your facts straight intaglio Aug 2012 #5

Please provide a link for your facts since they don't match anything I've read on Sweden's very poor riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #24

You might like to start with the UN's figures intaglio Aug 2012 #41

Here's what the EU had to say: LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #50

What exactly did you feel that this refuted? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #27

What you ignore is Sweden's better than average record intaglio Aug 2012 #44

Sweden has been slammed by both Amnesty International LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #49

Check the statistics for yourself n/t intaglio Aug 2012 #52

I did and they disagree with you n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #53

Did you check the UN rape statistics? intaglio Aug 2012 #54

So post a link. I gave two that say otherwise. LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #55

It's a spread sheet intaglio Aug 2012 #64

And? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #76

If the cases are being ignored in Sweden, how is an American who can't read or speak Swedish pnwmom Aug 2012 #6

I'm going to ask again. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #9

Is all criminal prosecution unjust, when we do not know in advance if the charges are true? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #17

The political aspect of the trial combined with the unlikelihood of conviction JDPriestly Aug 2012 #60

I guess date rape should never be prosecuted then. pnwmom Aug 2012 #29

Date can sometimes but not always be proved. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #59

Why isn't this date rape? What do you think date rape is? pnwmom Aug 2012 #62

According to her own statement, she never asked him to stop.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #65

Doesn't matter. He was already inside her when she woke up. That was the rape, pnwmom Aug 2012 #69

I've responded to all of your posts on this issue. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author MadrasT Aug 2012 #68

That proof comes at a trial Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #34

I would agree with you were it not for the political component. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #58

But he ISN'T facing extradition for trial MNBrewer Aug 2012 #72

No they can't, this has been gone over repeatedly Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #73

From your post MNBrewer Aug 2012 #74

It's the step just before indictment. Which corresponds to "formally charging". Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #75

and yet again, they out themselves a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #26

I've outed myself as someone who stopped regarding him as a hero pnwmom Aug 2012 #30

yup... okay... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #31

And you've outed yourself pnwmom Aug 2012 #32

gee... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #33

... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #37

How about this a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #38

Which is a bit of a sidestepping of the larger point Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #40

I guess it's going to depend a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #47

I don't exactly trust either Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #48

Thanks for going to the trouble of posting this. pnwmom Aug 2012 #42

I hereby a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #45

The stats are available even on Wikipedia LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #28

Crime statistics figures by nation are produced by the UN n/t intaglio Aug 2012 #46

Bingo. Observing all this shameless, blatant hypocrisy, and denial, is actually painful, and Zorra Aug 2012 #78

Bingo. Observing all this shameless, blatant hypocrisy, and denial, is actually painful, and Zorra Aug 2012 #79

A few of them have basically said that LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #80

Uh. See. A sex charge against a political hot potato.... aquart Aug 2012 #2

... LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #3

Please tell me why the US didn't just do the simple thing and extradite him from the UK? pnwmom Aug 2012 #7

Because he hasn't done anything that the U.S. can charge him with. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #8

Yes, exactly -- which is why Assange's claims that the US is trying to extradite him here pnwmom Aug 2012 #43

To my understanding it's not extradition that he is worried about, it's a rendition, and I Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #56

He's not the good guy either. He gets his thrills pnwmom Aug 2012 #57

I never said he was a good guy, but he is the guy in the cross hairs and he is the guy that gave Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #61

This is very shallow criticism, in my honest opinion. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #66

Releasing the unredacted files was evil. Assange is just out for the attention pnwmom Aug 2012 #70

Because if Assange goes to Sweden he can be held without bail JDPriestly Aug 2012 #11

Another day, another dollar? backscatter712 Aug 2012 #4

Thanks. I think that DU has been hijacked. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #12

good question redqueen Aug 2012 #18

kick Zorra Aug 2012 #20

It's time to end the anti-Assange diatribes. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #10

Under Swedish procedure you cannot be charged until arrested. joshcryer Aug 2012 #14

No that is not true treestar Aug 2012 #15

What I find truly astounding is people saying that of course djean111 Aug 2012 #13

simply not true treestar Aug 2012 #16

It would almost be worth the hide LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #51

A truly putrid comment. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #67

I'm a progressive, and I know what rape is. I'm sick of men with a disingenuous RW political agenda Zorra Aug 2012 #19

Agreed. Quantess Aug 2012 #21

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences. joshcryer Aug 2012 #23

You are completely misrepresenting what I posted. nt Zorra Aug 2012 #35

Which part? Quote it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #36

Lol. As you wish. Zorra Aug 2012 #77

Awesome post! You said it far better than I can. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #22

Here we go again... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #39

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #63