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hlthe2b

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239. No. I respect you, Marrah, but my post is NOT what the OP is all about
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:19 PM
Aug 2012

I respect the choice to keep a child. I truly believe that I would make that same decision. But, I DO understand those who can not. I hope that you too can, despite how hard that must strike at your own very personal and much deserved feelings on the matter.

I fully respect the decision of a rape survivor who finds themselves pregnant regardless what that might be. THAT is what PRO-CHOICE is all about. I think I have made that very clear. The OP, on the otherhand is using RW talking points to suggest that Pro-Choice Libs are UNLIKELY to be able to understand or respect a decision to keep the child. That is a very destructive meme used by the RW and one which pro-choice women should not have to (and in fact, are NOT going to) tolerate.

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Um..it's pro-*choice*... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #1
CHOICE....nowhere are you seeing anyone saying a woman raped must get an abortion. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #2
I know it is a choice but is it being implied that not having the rapist's baby is preferable.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #25
Where is that being implied? yardwork Aug 2012 #29
Yes, I missed that memo too get the red out Aug 2012 #35
Quick! Stop talking about this! It sounds like we're DEMANDING ABORTIONS!!!!! yardwork Aug 2012 #43
WHAT DO WE WANT? CatWoman Aug 2012 #58
I'll one up you: GAY ABORTIONS!!!!! WHEN DO WE WANT THEM???? NOW!!!!! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #154
*snort* CatWoman Aug 2012 #236
It is obviously implied NOWHERE, which is why the OP ceased to respond to this line of questioning. renie408 Aug 2012 #201
and I responded to the poster Marrah_G Aug 2012 #230
My friend, it has been implied, but not by everyone Marrah_G Aug 2012 #229
here Marrah_G Aug 2012 #231
No, that doesn't imply an abortion is preferable muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #237
It might not imply it to you Marrah_G Aug 2012 #238
most people on du get what choice is. i have yet to hear it suggest something wrong with the woman seabeyond Aug 2012 #55
Please provide a link where DUers "implied that not having the... Spazito Aug 2012 #56
here is one example of an unitentionally hurtful post Marrah_G Aug 2012 #232
No it isn't. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #91
There is an implicit judgement there metalbot Aug 2012 #117
No, I don't see any implicit judgement there. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #119
No there isn't, unless you ignore the phrase "Should be forced to" nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #178
I will not only imply it, but would 100% choose abortion if I got pregnant from violence. lies and propaganda Aug 2012 #114
Nothing for them either get the red out Aug 2012 #3
1++++++++ patrice Aug 2012 #9
Someone just posted that 30% of women do so but the terrible thing was pnwmom Aug 2012 #4
Um... Aristus Aug 2012 #50
No, it's up to a judge to determine if and what parental rights they can exercise NotThisTime Aug 2012 #69
To be fair... metalbot Aug 2012 #118
Anger should never be underestimated. That said, I think anyone who can do as you patrice Aug 2012 #5
I think the choice should be the woman's Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #6
Well, Akin would damn sure be against giving 'em welfare. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #7
and another thing. i want a law that IF a woman is raped and preg, the rapist does NOT seabeyond Aug 2012 #8
1+++++++ and shouldn't that include a fine anyway too? I would say no child-support, just a fine, patrice Aug 2012 #14
i could go with that. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #17
I'd want that iron-clad. He. is. NOT. the. father. period! & the fine cannot be included in bankrupt patrice Aug 2012 #34
... and the "his estate" bit is non-negotiable too. There are concrete real world reasons for that. patrice Aug 2012 #65
Is this if someone is convicted of rape or just accused? Does it include kelly1mm Aug 2012 #92
Most of the states with statutes like this enlightenment Aug 2012 #103
That would be hard to inforce if... Heather MC Aug 2012 #93
yes. i recognize the pit falls. and i am all for protecting a fathers right. seabeyond Aug 2012 #94
Because women NEVER lie about being raped, right? Let me tell you about a client I had. kelly1mm Aug 2012 #98
Your case is a perfect example of why a law like that Heather MC Aug 2012 #109
It would be very difficult (and I would argue wrong) if their was no conviction kelly1mm Aug 2012 #110
Rapists should have no visitation ritghts to the woman or the child. If it is proven that they are smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #112
but it doesn't-rapists ARE being awarded visitation catbyte Aug 2012 #169
Oh, please... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #10
Maybe you read a different OP than I did. Green Lantern did not imply that there is "something wrong patrice Aug 2012 #18
Oh, bullshit hlthe2b Aug 2012 #20
What's the matter, Green Lantern not part of some clique here? Issue-ownership? Or is it just patrice Aug 2012 #27
once again.... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #30
I agree with Patrice. Your reaction to the OP makes no sense. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #122
You are clearly in the minority here hlthe2b Aug 2012 #124
You're projecting. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #125
and you are inexplicably defending those who would accuse pro-choice liberal/progressives hlthe2b Aug 2012 #127
That is not what the OP was doing. You are reading way too much into it for some reason. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #128
You need only read this thread to realize your interpretation is the minority view hlthe2b Aug 2012 #129
I didn't say all pro-choice supporters favored rape victims getting abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #130
" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." there is no difference and proved hlthe2bs seabeyond Aug 2012 #133
" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." that is exactly what HE was doing in seabeyond Aug 2012 #134
I'm seeing the exact same things in the OP's posts and so are many others. yardwork Aug 2012 #144
So, you are taking a stand against providing more support for mothers? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #146
it is this bullshit that is being called out. what a fuckin offensive comment for you to make. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #150
How do you know it removes anybody's reason for choosing an abortion? yardwork Aug 2012 #155
If some women are having abortions ONLY for financial reasons, shouldn't pnwmom Aug 2012 #148
believe that society should help pregnant women through their pregnancies seabeyond Aug 2012 #151
There's at least one example in this thread. pnwmom Aug 2012 #157
he is making an argument, fabricating an argument that is NOT there. did yardwork say that seabeyond Aug 2012 #165
Yardwork denied G.L.'s point that some women have abortions for financial reasons. pnwmom Aug 2012 #168
LOL! No, I did not say that. yardwork Aug 2012 #172
yardwork, I cut and pasted your quotes from #144 and #155. pnwmom Aug 2012 #177
Yes, you quoted me accurately, but you characterized my statements inaccurately. yardwork Aug 2012 #181
Neither GL nor I said it was anyone else's "business" why a particular woman decides to pnwmom Aug 2012 #194
yardwork is clearly taking exception to why, not what. ieoeja Aug 2012 #206
Where was anyone trying to make pregnant women feel guilty? pnwmom Aug 2012 #211
Thank you. I'm a woman. yardwork Aug 2012 #222
what does social service has to do with rape? that is with any preg. that is being a DEMOCRAT seabeyond Aug 2012 #170
Where has GL suggested that pro-choice shames women into getting abortions? pnwmom Aug 2012 #174
every. single. fuckin. post. of. HIS. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #176
Right. Nowhere that you can link to. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #180
+1 redqueen Aug 2012 #185
this thread is disgusting with the oh so smart man telling naive women what to think feel and seabeyond Aug 2012 #188
your reading comprehension is lacking Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #226
I was lectured for saying that Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #158
you are lectured for saying anyone is arguing that a woman must get an abortion seabeyond Aug 2012 #166
Who said they shouldn't? Nice straw man argument there. yardwork Aug 2012 #152
The OP is a dog whistle. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #221
+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #33
+1 obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #97
In a Fox News kind of way the OP did just that. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #208
You put words in my mouth and make my case... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #37
If you are raised in the Catholic Church treestar Aug 2012 #53
Hi there- Your post is what the OP is talking about Marrah_G Aug 2012 #233
No. I respect you, Marrah, but my post is NOT what the OP is all about hlthe2b Aug 2012 #239
I am very, very pro-choice Marrah_G Aug 2012 #240
You assume that I and others do not have first hand experience as well... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #243
my OP never mentions pro-choice liberals... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #246
Your post speaks for itself. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #247
I don't even want to think about the psychology involved hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
What about it? ananda Aug 2012 #12
The question you should have asked: fried eggs Aug 2012 #13
You are just making up shit or DURHAM D Aug 2012 #15
"You are just making up shit"... yup. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #19
No kidding. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #23
It looks to me like the OP (Matt) is conflicted on this issue and DURHAM D Aug 2012 #31
Ask Patrice... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #32
LOL - no thanks DURHAM D Aug 2012 #38
It happens because OP doesn't know or accept that there is one and only one way to patrice Aug 2012 #44
I will admit that OP could be fishing for something and I have a pretty good idea what that might patrice Aug 2012 #47
tell me if it shows up because I don't know what you mean... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #54
I have to go do laundry and stuff. That point-of-vew may avoid a thread I'm in anyway. patrice Aug 2012 #62
Really, because I have certainly gotten that feeling the last few days Marrah_G Aug 2012 #234
No the consensus is that women SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #16
Oh for God's sake. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #21
Do you know which night she's scheduled to speak at the RNC? Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #22
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #24
what a foul and disgusting accusation to make against other DUers. Sick hlthe2b Aug 2012 #26
pretty disgusting. wtf is the problem here. not only getting the garbage from repugs seabeyond Aug 2012 #60
DU is full of Repugs and "Libertarians". DURHAM D Aug 2012 #68
One would think that Libertarians would be in favor of choice but I've noticed that they're not. yardwork Aug 2012 #71
Funny...I think the pro-choice crowd here buys into the libertarian notion.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #78
have you EVER seen anyone suggest that we should not take care of those that are in need. ANOTHER seabeyond Aug 2012 #79
The "pro-choice crowd here" on DU should be 100% of members. yardwork Aug 2012 #80
if you say so.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #83
Seriously obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #102
I think the above post was sarcasm, maybe in poor taste CJCRANE Aug 2012 #86
Then perhaps the hide will reinforce on the poster (and others) that they can not assume hlthe2b Aug 2012 #95
That's fair enough... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #101
Your post sounds very insensitive to me. Maybe you didn't intend it that way. yardwork Aug 2012 #28
you are misunderstanding my post... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #41
Ok. Explain it then. It sounds like you're accusing women of demanding abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #42
This DURHAM D Aug 2012 #48
I didn't say women demanded abortion... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #49
And what the fuck would be wrong with that implication? yardwork Aug 2012 #59
You don't like women very much do you? gatorboy Aug 2012 #85
how does what I said show dislike for women? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #131
What fucking business of yours is it if a woman wants an abortion? neverforget Aug 2012 #115
I said nothing about whether or not women should get abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #132
you are right. 77% leaders for anti abortion are men. you are right, the choice is being taken away seabeyond Aug 2012 #135
It's none of your business how women make that choice. The law provides them with the choice. yardwork Aug 2012 #139
I don't support criminalizing abortion but making them rare... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #141
That's none of your business. It's not up to you to decide why women choose to have abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #143
you are misstating my position... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #147
"we need more support for people to raise kids." who doesnt support? strawman seabeyond Aug 2012 #153
+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #156
damnit if this man is not sounding like every other man that lectures ME on seabeyond Aug 2012 #163
Yep. Same exact words and behavior. yardwork Aug 2012 #167
the naive is what took it to this point. fuck... welcome to du. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #171
superiority in reading skills.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #162
no. most everyone gets what you are saying. and most everyone is calling you the fuck out seabeyond Aug 2012 #175
No...you are grandstanding and putting words into my mouth Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #189
bullshit. you throw out a lie as a truth in accusatory manner and want us to defend the fuckin lie. seabeyond Aug 2012 #190
you need to twist my words to make your argument... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #196
not really. look at the number of people saying the exact same thing to you. you need to run away seabeyond Aug 2012 #198
I really don't see what I've said offensive Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #203
of course you do not see it as offensive. i get that. nor does ryan, akin or any of the other seabeyond Aug 2012 #205
twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #210
you throw out bullshit and then cannot even address it. weak. so weak. seabeyond Aug 2012 #213
you must like the song Twist and Shout Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #215
ya, you cannot defend what you have done in this thread. the people hurt and falsely accused by you seabeyond Aug 2012 #217
Try to see it from our perspective catbyte Aug 2012 #164
Your question in the OP was different muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #241
Notice I never said I was refering to DUers.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #248
So why did you post it on DU? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #249
My mistake was in not making myself clear enough... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #251
I know someone who met a young lady recently whom, if I take her at her word, is more than willing patrice Aug 2012 #57
~facepalm~ Marrah_G Aug 2012 #235
This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Aug 2012 #244
You know who I'm pissed off at in that case? DevonRex Aug 2012 #36
A False Equivalent...and a War on Women Bait. cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #39
Here's my 2 cents - this should all be 'NONE OF OUR BUSINESS' LynneSin Aug 2012 #40
that is another point...the issue has become rape and abortion Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #46
+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #113
Choose? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #45
No, it's not being implied. reflection Aug 2012 #51
The true agenda is revealed a little more in this post: yardwork Aug 2012 #61
I didn't read anything Machiavellian into it reflection Aug 2012 #72
It's far less subtle than Machiavelli. This has all the subtlety of a trainwreck. yardwork Aug 2012 #73
More common than you think FightForMichigan Aug 2012 #52
The only "wrong" thing is that people OUTSIDE the situation want to pass laws telling the woman JoePhilly Aug 2012 #63
The word you need here is not 'imply' but 'infer' Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #64
Some people don't think we REALLY mean Choice. & Good! catch on imply vs. infer! patrice Aug 2012 #67
Then that is their choice, just like women who under law are allowed to make a different choice NotThisTime Aug 2012 #66
Good for them, if that is what they choose to do. Quantess Aug 2012 #70
Pro-choice on abortion is mythical in the US... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #74
"The Irish Sinn Fein party(not exactly right-wing)" Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #75
Democrats and progressives, as well as nearly ALL "pro-choice" people in the U.S. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #88
no, I'm not saying pro-choice groups are forcing women to get abortions Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #136
If you are still looking for the answer to your worldview tnvoter Aug 2012 #142
I'd say there's still far MORE pressure for women to quit their jobs, stay home, and have kids Ken Burch Aug 2012 #149
You should start listening to what PRO-CHOICE WOMEN are saying. redqueen Aug 2012 #193
You realise Sinn Fein is saying abortion should only be allowed for rape or grave risk to health? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #245
no...sorry, I wasn't aware of what the British abortion law did.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #250
this feels like a made up problem. like you in particular are making up this problem La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2012 #76
Where is that being implied? drm604 Aug 2012 #77
I think we are just making sure there is choice... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #81
It's all about choice. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #82
What a terribly odd question. gatorboy Aug 2012 #84
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #87
No one was implying that at all, and you know it. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #89
I hope they have a happy life loyalsister Aug 2012 #90
My only concern in this place gollygee Aug 2012 #96
it's their choice.... spanone Aug 2012 #99
Here is a relevent article from The Declassified Adoptee: me b zola Aug 2012 #100
Many years ago a friend was raped Frances Aug 2012 #104
That too is a choice bluestateguy Aug 2012 #105
Why do you "hope" that? Don't you have anything better to worry about? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #106
not necessarily pro-choicers but I do think.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #137
why should they admit it? what do you gain with women admitting it? seabeyond Aug 2012 #182
another twist of my words by you... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #192
are you fucking serious? this is what you reduce rape to? just a shrug? should have no effect seabeyond Aug 2012 #197
see...I told you that you would twist my words Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #209
you minimize rape. you minimize the experience. you want to pin the rape on the child as what? seabeyond Aug 2012 #212
Twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #216
how old are you, 5? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #218
Is it me? I feel like we are talking about this from the right.... chowder66 Aug 2012 #107
Good point. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #202
What about them? Warpy Aug 2012 #108
You are disinjenous and confused. GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #111
That would be their choice. ALL women should be allowed CHOICE. Their bodies, their choice. Autumn Aug 2012 #116
it's their CHOICE JI7 Aug 2012 #120
as a survivor salin Aug 2012 #121
I am not talking about the force of law... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #138
There's a lot of societal pressure against women, as your posts in this thread demonstrate. yardwork Aug 2012 #140
wow that sounds naive.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #145
why should a woman who is raped but decides to keep the baby have to "admit" it is a rape victim? seabeyond Aug 2012 #161
who is lecturing? you are sounding paranoid Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #183
i dont sound paranoid. i should sound fuckin pissed. you like to project shit onto people seabeyond Aug 2012 #186
I didn't say anything about "women who get raped should do this or that" Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #199
again as a survivor... salin Aug 2012 #253
Pro-choice is about giving women power over their own bodies, it's not pro-abortion. MatthewStLouis Aug 2012 #123
............... pbmus Aug 2012 #126
hahahaha.... NOPE fascisthunter Aug 2012 #159
If men Aerows Aug 2012 #160
How many women who've been raped by their husbands keep the baby? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #173
It has always been about choice, however if incest is still_one Aug 2012 #179
This post sounds very concern-troll-ish. stevenleser Aug 2012 #184
My 12 year old friend who was raped HockeyMom Aug 2012 #187
this argument was in the back of my mind thru out. it is easy for the men to demand OTHER women seabeyond Aug 2012 #191
I knew somebody this happened to and being Catholic she opted to have Cleita Aug 2012 #195
Why didn't you just write "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!"... renie408 Aug 2012 #200
Eh. Straw man alert. Where do you get that implication? It is trollish to raise issues yellowcanine Aug 2012 #204
Addressing the phrase "rapist's child" Purple_Vines Aug 2012 #207
Thank you for your post. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #219
What about the rapist who gets his victim pregnant and wants her to have it? Tikki Aug 2012 #214
Unreal-if you are opposed to abortion then don't have one Progressive dog Aug 2012 #220
how do you people get this out of the OP? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #224
Why else would you make the OP? Progressive dog Aug 2012 #227
Not a choice I'd make in that situation but if that's what she wants 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #223
shun them Enrique Aug 2012 #225
I have a couple comments on the topic Marrah_G Aug 2012 #228
The point is that no law should force ANY woman to give birth. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #242
Remember the concept of " Pro Choice " orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #252
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