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79. Do you dispute the fact

Fri Aug 24, 2012, 02:51 PM

Aug 2012

that there have been few if any instances of CCW holders shooting blindly in to crowds, escalating the violence (despite predictions to the contrary) whereas police have done exactly this?

If you don't feel you can answer honestly then don't. But do try to stay focused.

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NYC shooter: I figure that it would have been worse [View all] MrScorpio Aug 2012 OP

According to Mayor Bloomberg glacierbay Aug 2012 #1

No, that's not what he said. HappyMe Aug 2012 #2

What he said was that glacierbay Aug 2012 #3

Some. Not all, is what he said, as they were taking down the gun owner. nt onehandle Aug 2012 #4

We'll know soon enough glacierbay Aug 2012 #5

We won't know for sure any time soon... CabCurious Aug 2012 #11

No he wasn't shooting civilians glacierbay Aug 2012 #15

My understanding is that he shot the boss on the sidewalk/street... CabCurious Aug 2012 #38

Not true glacierbay Aug 2012 #45

Reports indicate the initial shooting was on the sidewalk CabCurious Aug 2012 #50

Ok now I understand glacierbay Aug 2012 #53

Not to make excuses for the cops... but I don't envy them in that situation CabCurious Aug 2012 #80

Another "law abiding gun owner" - right up until the moment he wasn't. n/t. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #6

By that postulate, all men are rapist. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #9

Or, more validly.. LanternWaste Aug 2012 #67

We should all be guilty till proven innocent. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #89

You don't do analogy very well. Try again. n/t. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #125

You can't ride in on the fail boat and then tell everyone else they're "sunk". nt rDigital Aug 2012 #136

Up the creek without a paddle. nt Remmah2 Aug 2012 #143

Again, you don't do analogy very well, as noted. And you get poorer at it, apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #147

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobia rDigital Aug 2012 #152

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #154

The difference is, of course, there's no National Rapist Association to support them when they do. baldguy Aug 2012 #142

Zing! That's gonna leave a mark! Spot-on reply. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #148

Could you list one kind of criminal that wasn't law abiding prior to breaking the law? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #34

George Bush? sibelian Aug 2012 #162

I didn't think you were allowed to carry in NY. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #44

You legally CAN carry in the BIg Apple ... spin Aug 2012 #159

Considering NYC's gun laws... krispos42 Aug 2012 #76

It would be interesting to know his actual residence. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #107

And if the entire country had NYC's excellent gun laws... apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #126

Excellent gun laws? Like the one where only 1%ers get carry permits? rDigital Aug 2012 #137

Yes, excellent gun laws. If NYC's gun laws were in place nationwide, hundreds of thousands apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #149

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #151

That's all yah got? A personal attack that's not even forthright, but skulks behind apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #153

*snort* krispos42 Aug 2012 #155

What nonsense, from stem to stern: apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #157

*snort* redux krispos42 Aug 2012 #158

It's not "redux" (Sic): it's the same old non-responsive jazz. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #161

*triple snort* krispos42 Aug 2012 #168

No this gun was illegal malaise Aug 2012 #144

No, this gun was perfectly "legal" when purchased in Florida. It only became illegal when apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #150

Typical anti-gun zealot rl6214 Aug 2012 #163

LOL...case in perfect point, with exactitude. You couldn't make this stuff up. apocalypsehow Aug 2012 #164

Yes you could and you normally do rl6214 Aug 2012 #169

I am a law abiding gun owner ... spin Aug 2012 #170

So let me get this straight nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #7

The average cop gets far less range time ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #10

According to the experts they're all trained. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #14

Then you need better experts. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #18

Wrong, they are considered trained nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #20

Average Joe.. SQUEE Aug 2012 #27

For the record, I am a gun owner nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #28

Not as intensly trained in the laws they are sworn to uphold glacierbay Aug 2012 #32

That is good to know, I still DO NOT WANT YOU, carrying everywhere nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #35

wow Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #39

Let me start by saying glacierbay Aug 2012 #41

Sooner or later it will become society's choice actually nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #43

What you say may be true glacierbay Aug 2012 #46

When it happens it will be sudden nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #47

I fully support comprehensive background checks glacierbay Aug 2012 #49

It will, and the other side is getting more and more organized nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #52

The other side is not getting more organized glacierbay Aug 2012 #57

It will happen and it will be sudden nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #60

That's exactly why it won't happen, suddenly or gradually glacierbay Aug 2012 #71

It will, you will see nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #77

We'll just have to agree to disagree glacierbay Aug 2012 #86

"the other side is getting more and more organized" rl6214 Aug 2012 #166

+1000 (n/t) spin Aug 2012 #172

What type of firearm do you carry when you decide to? spin Aug 2012 #171

I know I can poutshoot quite a few obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #145

Do you mean 10 years? ... spin Aug 2012 #173

"The NRA and ALEC, want everybody to pack," rl6214 Aug 2012 #165

"fellow Democrats" Skittles Aug 2012 #156

When the police, military and criminals give up their weapons then I can too. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #12

We know, precious is your friend nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #22

Most police officers are terrible shots. jeepnstein Aug 2012 #83

Oh I am possitive the how many shots were fired nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #88

Poorly trained. jeepnstein Aug 2012 #115

9 people shot in midtown crossfire... CabCurious Aug 2012 #8

Incredible that it is only nine, or ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #13

Both. CabCurious Aug 2012 #24

Can we talk about guncult violence and the NRA's ... 99Forever Aug 2012 #16

Did the NRA mail him his gun? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #17

Yes they did. 99Forever Aug 2012 #19

Wow!!! michreject Aug 2012 #21

Neither does the NRA or most gun... 99Forever Aug 2012 #25

They are en force, aren't they nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #23

They're like flies to a pile of shit. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #63

So if we're flies.... that makes you what? nt rDigital Aug 2012 #138

A shovel. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #141

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #26

another gun fetishist comes out of the wooodwork nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #29

And you want to talk about personal attacks? Marinedem Aug 2012 #37

I got a couple here nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #42

Ahhhh! The book version michreject Aug 2012 #130

Nah the HISTORIC version nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #30

One of the arguments against personal gun ownership is that you should just call the cops 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #33

In all fairness to the cops glacierbay Aug 2012 #36

Jesus. Marinedem Aug 2012 #40

A bad job would have been that they killed the civilians glacierbay Aug 2012 #48

Agreed. redqueen Aug 2012 #59

Thank you glacierbay Aug 2012 #69

We had to destroy the village... PavePusher Aug 2012 #119

Has it been confirmed that police hit them? All i've seen is "crossfire" CabCurious Aug 2012 #51

Yup, the mayor admitted it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #55

Tragic. I guess it doesn't even matter which bullets did what... CabCurious Aug 2012 #58

They are expected to, thanks to modern medical science nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #61

The cops became "liable in some sense"? No, they didn't. The City of New York, however, AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #160

Thing is they weren't "trading fire"... rl6214 Aug 2012 #167

We 100% agree on that. glacierbay Aug 2012 #73

NYC is not an armed society. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #56

Because they would have just started firing without aiming 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #64

None. Exactly as many as I've perpetrated 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #70

Where did I claim someone knocked on my door and tried to take away my gun? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #78

What you said was nonsense 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #85

You think no one exists that is against gun ownership? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #96

Well you'll have to be more specific 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #103

High powered weapons being defined as . . .? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #108

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #112

Classic 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #117

I know I'm not who you addressed glacierbay Aug 2012 #104

But, but, trained people... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #65

I dispute that these were "new yorks finest" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #68

by definition they are trained nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #74

Do you dispute the fact 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #81

Can you prove I said there was one? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #93

Yes, that is one of the arguments people have used against personal gun ownership 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #101

It was a silly statement on your part 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #110

The validity of the meme is irrelevant when the issue is that you misused it 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #111

So we will not deal with the fact that these are TRAINED individuals nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #91

Ok, we've established that you will not answer my question 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #94

Here, enjoy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #99

Per government regulations 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #102

Gee golly, I did not realize TSA was an armed agency nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #106

I never said it was 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #109

You used the TSA as an example of a federal agency nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #113

No, I used it to refute 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #116

AWWW CUTE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #118

Some info on NYPD training and shootings... PavePusher Aug 2012 #123

And here is my confusion. SQUEE Aug 2012 #114

Shoud I add a couple things to the training nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #120

Not in the least SQUEE Aug 2012 #121

This is what many agencies use nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #122

And have for years. SQUEE Aug 2012 #124

LEOS are NOT civilian nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #127

ParaMil ..by whom? SQUEE Aug 2012 #128

Among others International Law, as well as NATIONAL LAW nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #129

I am pretty versed on my Geneva Protocols SQUEE Aug 2012 #132

I am as well, I had to enforce it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #133

And we are at a time of war? SQUEE Aug 2012 #134

Which we do not have nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #135

Militias also SQUEE Aug 2012 #139

That has to do with another factor... and that has a name, framing nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #140

If A Non-Law Enforcement Individual...... Paladin Aug 2012 #87

If a non-law enforcement individual had done this 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #95

If I was carrying in that situation glacierbay Aug 2012 #97

Right, and in many cases you would be arrested for drawing obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #146

Not all the wounds would be from bullets - lots of heavy stone and glass around that area. haele Aug 2012 #75

Good point glacierbay Aug 2012 #90