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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
27. That's not true.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:50 AM
Mar 2019

Mueller indicted about 37 people, most of whom were for Russian interfering in our election and democracy. But those were Russians. The Americans have been indicted for lying and money-related crimes, campaign finance, and other things. With the possible exception of Flynn.

Mueller did not indict any American for Russia-conspiracy crimes. We know that. Particularly the Trump family.

This was the purpose of the investigation, and he did his job. So we weren't "had." This was the purpose of the Special Counsel.

Knowing something occurred, and proving it beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. I've said all along that it's very difficult to get the head guy because they generally buffer themselves from crimes, giving oral instructions to staffers to do their dirty work for them. Trump has been operating as a crime boss for decades, so he knows not to say stupid things or be caught doing criminal acts directly.

What we DON'T know: If Mueller found obstruction of justice by Trump. If he did, he wouldn't indict Trump, since Mueller is a by-the-book guy, and it's generally accepted that Presidents can't be indicted.

The investigation was not a waste of time or money. It was necessary and has been fruitful. If he found that the Trump campaign didn't aid and abet, then so be it. We have to respect that.

But it's possible he found evidence of Russia-related crimes but is passing it on to the DOJ or whoever to take action. He would probably not indict someone for those things, if it would tip the hand to possible future indictments.

We were hoping for indictments of Jr. and Kushner, I know. So that's a disappointment. But the investigation was not a waste of time or money. The NY courts are also not through filing their own indictments for various things.

Let's not forget that the investigation led to The Trump Foundation being shut down and Trump fined.

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Nah, lets weep and knash teeth uselessly wasting energy and time / sarcasm K&R uponit7771 Mar 2019 #1
Are you sure we'll get to read it? wryter2000 Mar 2019 #2
I doubt it... someone, hopefully, will leak it. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2019 #3
We have a large group of people here who always assume the worst wryter2000 Mar 2019 #5
Oh, and welcome to DU wryter2000 Mar 2019 #4
Getting hysterical seems to be much more fun, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #6
Yes. Please! We need to draw strength and not let them weaponize it. nolabear Mar 2019 #7
I see you are new here. GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #8
Thank you! mcar Mar 2019 #9
YES! SallyHemmings Mar 2019 #10
I see no freakouts, only intense discussion. Welcome to DU. ancianita Mar 2019 #11
+1. And we DO know some things for certain. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #13
I believe Malcolm Nance: the classified version of the report could well be an impeachment document. ancianita Mar 2019 #17
Thanks for this, people forget that this is a fucking discussion board. nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #24
+1. I'm sort of offended by the "don't freak out" instructional posts. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #25
You do know that the public won't get it any time soon? Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #30
Probably not going to get to read it. zentrum Mar 2019 #14
Permission to roll up in the fetal position lame54 Mar 2019 #15
Best idea I've heard today! B Stieg Mar 2019 #16
Agreed. TomSlick Mar 2019 #18
no indictments FellsPointLib Mar 2019 #19
I need to know a lot more. MontanaMama Mar 2019 #20
"Sky is falling" is a subjective thing. Objectively, no Mueller indictments for Russia... Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #26
Thank you!! relayerbob Mar 2019 #21
No. The writing is on the wall. We were had. I now feel bad for Cohen going to jail for lying. Pepsidog Mar 2019 #22
That's not true. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #27
As a criminal defense attorney I understand the legal issues.Mueller obtained some convictions, so Pepsidog Mar 2019 #29
Have you read the report? Generic Brad Mar 2019 #28
I think your definition of "freak Out" is different than most people. nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #23
Thank you!! Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #32
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2019 #33
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