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nadinbrzezinski

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118. If it does not, then the words of Kennedy come to mind

Wed Jan 4, 2012, 07:29 PM

Jan 2012

those who prevent peaceful revolution ensure the violent kind. I do not think the political class wants that.

Why do you think the New Deal came to be? To save capitalism from itself... somebody in the political elite will decide, just like FDR did... we give them some of what they want, they go back home. We don't... well then.

So if nothing is going to change, what the hell are you doing in politics? I mean nothing is going to change. That is the most cynical statement I have ever heard. But the first step for ANY social movement is exactly the political elites adopting some of their language... or you think nothing changed after the political elites adopted that language in the 1930s or during the civil rights movement?

You can't have it both ways. They are either non influential or by jove they are having influence already. So what is it?

And yes, we are living through the chinese curse... interesting times, and not just in the US... this is global.

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"The economy is improving, therefore OWS will go away." [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 OP

This country has so many problems (brought to us courtesy of the Repukes), that these won't Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #1

Yeah, but I have heard that here in the recent past nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #5

I know. There are some in here who are scared of civil disobedience. It's discouraged in the U.S. Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #31

Oh - is it going to be a "Long Hot Summer" FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #2

Hey, on the bright side nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #4

"Sorry, the revolution is postponed because it is too cold!" hack89 Jan 2012 #8

OWS is not in hiatus Demeter Jan 2012 #9

There doesn't seem to be much occupying going on. hack89 Jan 2012 #10

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean pintobean Jan 2012 #11

That's NOT the Occupation Demeter Jan 2012 #12

We'll see hack89 Jan 2012 #16

Well I'll give you the same credit I give my local cops nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #51

It's more like a failure of the network... randome Jan 2012 #53

Yet the cops seem to be winning. hack89 Jan 2012 #55

LOL. bvar22 Jan 2012 #77

A movement that doesn't actually accomplish something is doomed. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #79

Hasn't accomplished anything? bvar22 Jan 2012 #82

Lol pintobean Jan 2012 #83

That's an odd interpretation of bvar's post. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #86

Looks like I was correct. pintobean Jan 2012 #99

What am I supposed to be looking at? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #106

Deny it all you want, bvar22 Jan 2012 #96

So the WH is maneuvering to co-opt the OWS message? hack89 Jan 2012 #100

WHAT???? For a non influential, does not matter movement, that is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #110

The angst and fear that drives OWS is real. hack89 Jan 2012 #111

HALLLELUJAH... you got it, by jove you GOT IT!!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #112

You don't understand though - nothing will actually change, it's the same old system hack89 Jan 2012 #117

If it does not, then the words of Kennedy come to mind nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #118

You first need to elect progressives if you want a progressive agenda implemented hack89 Jan 2012 #121

you'll see zappaman Jan 2012 #122

Alas it is not one or the other nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #123

They are doing jack shit in Rhode Island - why is that? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #124

And Rhode Island is the United States... assuming you are correct nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #125

A liberal Democrat mayor has been blowing them off for months. hack89 Jan 2012 #128

You are once again confusing action with accomplishments. hack89 Jan 2012 #129

here it is 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #169

Parroting the OWS message is not saying they are irrelevant Zalatix Jan 2012 #141

If the intent is simply to disfuse anger directed at Democrats hack89 Jan 2012 #144

OWS hasn't achieved anything? Are you serious??? Zalatix Jan 2012 #140

But nothing has changed hack89 Jan 2012 #143

Wait, if Democrats co-opt the movement Zalatix Jan 2012 #147

Do you care about messages or actions? hack89 Jan 2012 #161

I am OWS and I haven't been to one protest... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #199

But will those same people support OWS in the absence of any articulated plan of action? hack89 Jan 2012 #200

wooosh. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #249

I understood the post - I just question any movement that depends on some unseen silent majority hack89 Jan 2012 #250

After you got the recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #202

I guess it beats answering hard questions. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #251

You might want to read the book,"The Spider and the Starfish"... truth2power Jan 2012 #254

Call me when OWS puts a million people on the Mall in DC. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #257

The PTB don't give a rat's-ass if a million people are on the mall; OWS or otherwise... truth2power Jan 2012 #259

No I understand very well hack89 Jan 2012 #260

5000 protester for the Rose Parade in LA. Yesterday was a day of action in NYC against the SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #68

You are correct nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #71

Tiny groups of people sparsely scattered over a large country. hack89 Jan 2012 #80

Why? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #87

Wow, the Plutocrats LOVE you today. Zalatix Jan 2012 #142

Everyone loves me - it's my cuddly nature. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #145

So if we don't bend a knee to OWS hack89 Jan 2012 #163

perhaps not 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #172

"fear"? give me a break. hack89 Jan 2012 #177

you bash them constantly 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #183

No - I criticize them because I think they are pissing away the opportunity of a lifetime. hack89 Jan 2012 #184

One of the places that it is surely non-existent... MattSh Jan 2012 #165

You need to get your head out the internet and take a look around hack89 Jan 2012 #175

�Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Demeter Jan 2012 #166

Sure - a focused, organized group hack89 Jan 2012 #171

It sounds like the only thing you understand is a corporate/business model... truth2power Jan 2012 #256

Voting is the only legitimate way to change our system hack89 Jan 2012 #258

I think it was Phil Berrigan who said, "If voting made any difference truth2power Jan 2012 #261

So you think OWS should ignore the election process? hack89 Jan 2012 #262

Individually, they should do whatever they see fit. But you're still thinking of OWS as truth2power Jan 2012 #277

How about focusing on one thing instead of trying to do everything at once? randome Jan 2012 #278

Here pintobean Jan 2012 #279

LOL. I had missed that one. randome Jan 2012 #280

They can explicilty state that they will support the reelection of President Obama. hack89 Jan 2012 #282

that would be a good start. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #283

One more time. You still don't get it.... truth2power Jan 2012 #284

So OWS has adopted an ankle biting strategy at the fringes of the system hack89 Jan 2012 #286

That's your latest attack nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #19

When all a movement has to offer is promises of some nebulous "surprises" when the weather get nicer hack89 Jan 2012 #24

Perhaps when you develop some intellectual curiosity nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #39

You forgot to add... randome Jan 2012 #41

And... your point is... exactly nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #57

Have you ever considered how condescending your reply sounds? hack89 Jan 2012 #52

Well given I spent hours trying to have nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #56

If you want an echo chamber, why are you at DU? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #59

Just put him or her on ignore. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #89

The only problem, and this is belongs in meta nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #102

Well that's lame! girl gone mad Jan 2012 #104

Yeah I think I will have to raise it over there nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #105

not too ignorant to grasp 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #173

My local occupy convinced the city council... prairierose Jan 2012 #22

So it's not really OWS any more, is it? randome Jan 2012 #26

No, it is OWS. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #40

I see what you did there. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #90

My local occupy has withered into irrelevancy. hack89 Jan 2012 #29

Just because you don't see them nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #42

I am intellectually curious as to how an invisible, fair weather movement hack89 Jan 2012 #47

If they are so irrelevant why do you need to keep trying to convinve us? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #91

If they are relevant I would be hearing about them outside of DU . nt hack89 Jan 2012 #92

Uh-huh. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #95

Not. Fox News, etc, is owned by the 1% and they don't Zorra Jan 2012 #149

How do you build a national movement using obscure news sources? hack89 Jan 2012 #162

dude ,just start your own thing 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #186

Don't need to - the Rhode Island Democratic party is there already hack89 Jan 2012 #188

How do we build a national movement using MSM news sources owned by our opposition? Zorra Jan 2012 #204

And look how few people are involved in the conversation hack89 Jan 2012 #208

A few weeks ago Zorra Jan 2012 #215

DU is such a narrow slice of America hack89 Jan 2012 #227

Frankly and directly speaking, I can't waste any more time rebutting meaningless and transparent Zorra Jan 2012 #263

Same to you - I am off to get Democrats elected to office. hack89 Jan 2012 #264

If dissenting viewpoints pintobean Jan 2012 #265

This is a recording. n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #266

I've asked admin pintobean Jan 2012 #268

Throw it on a loop. zappaman Jan 2012 #269

Oh, dear me. randome Jan 2012 #267

Obviously you do not understand what a recording is zappaman Jan 2012 #270

But, but, but.... randome Jan 2012 #271

Do not be pintobean Jan 2012 #272

Because... greytdemocrat Jan 2012 #119

Faux is that you? n/t 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #174

No. Ostrich, is that you? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #178

It's not about politics, as such. n/t truth2power Jan 2012 #285

It does seem to be about anything more than venting anger and frustration hack89 Jan 2012 #287

I think I've seen you post this too cold shit before 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #168

No - I want OWS to be a factor in next year's election hack89 Jan 2012 #170

we're sorry that we haven't been able 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #176

I am right in the middle of preparing for an election campaign hack89 Jan 2012 #180

then, might I suggest you join for tea? 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #187

So OWS will support non-Democrats? Or just certain Democrats? hack89 Jan 2012 #190

well. I'll tell you need it now 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #195

Can't you simply say that you have no clue what OWS is planning to do? hack89 Jan 2012 #196

This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #213

Nadine - there is no question that you have no clue. hack89 Jan 2012 #225

Recording of personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #230

There's a reason Holsinger called his piece Occulus Jan 2012 #281

That's an odd quote zappaman Jan 2012 #3

. pintobean Jan 2012 #6

Didn't Orly Taitz say something like that? randome Jan 2012 #13

I too wondered who was being quoted tkmorris Jan 2012 #14

Google gives 2 results pintobean Jan 2012 #17

So, nobody said it. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #273

Twice pintobean Jan 2012 #274

lol x 2 AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #275

lol x 4 zappaman Jan 2012 #276

Jobless recoveries or declining wage jobs mmonk Jan 2012 #7

those who are unable to learn from history are doomed to repeat it Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #15

And those who stare into history's navel too long... randome Jan 2012 #18

That is why police, predictably, is doing what is doing nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #21

I have a friend? randome Jan 2012 #23

no, you are right 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #189

I'm so sad. randome Jan 2012 #191

to help it grow Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #28

Me? Threatened? randome Jan 2012 #30

Then why lash out at me? Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #32

Not sure where you see 'anger' in any of my posts. randome Jan 2012 #35

I got a solution for you nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #43

But this is entertaining. randome Jan 2012 #46

You're not the light, nadin pintobean Jan 2012 #50

That moth is being dragged in by the gravity well of an enormous ego. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #234

Google-de-goo pintobean Jan 2012 #240

+1000! n/t zappaman Jan 2012 #243

Seems to really be getting under your skin. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #107

Then don't look. Just ignore the Occupy threads if they threaten you somehow. Zorra Jan 2012 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #81

Why do you have to spend so much time trying to convince people it isn't relevant? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #97

Yep. I'm absolutely, totally nut-zo! randome Jan 2012 #131

Alas there is an agenda nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #134

But if you put me on Ignore, you'll never know what I'm saying about you behind your back. randome Jan 2012 #164

Bwaahaahaaa! Thanks so much for your concern! Zorra Jan 2012 #151

lol, so it's to save us. 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #192

No funnier than you thinking you are saving the 99%. randome Jan 2012 #193

It is speaking 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #179

Middle-aged borrowers, including the unemployed, are now taking on more student debt as well. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #20

It is the next crisis indeed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #37

By that they sound like Luddites The2ndWheel Jan 2012 #25

No they are protesting against a non future nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #38

that was E.P. Thompson's groundbreaking work--the weavers' "obsolescence" was created by MisterP Jan 2012 #75

Sadly, they don't vote and don't have any money to spend joeglow3 Jan 2012 #27

Well given 70% of occupiers are fully employed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #45

I am going with decades of evidence joeglow3 Jan 2012 #133

Improving for whom? aquart Jan 2012 #33

Why do you think I used quotation marks? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #44

What is the "ECONOMY"? Hawkowl Jan 2012 #34

Who is saying what you put in quotes? MineralMan Jan 2012 #36

I hope that the economy really is improving. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #48

I was standing in a line behind a middle-age woman who was desperate (and embarassed) AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #54

We have a friend -- middle-aged also -- who JDPriestly Jan 2012 #115

The economy is going to have to improve a lot more before I stop wanting it to get better. I suspect jwirr Jan 2012 #49

OWS is dead in New York City. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #58

OWS is dead for now but it will come back in another form. Initech Jan 2012 #62

That is news to me nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #66

And news to the 200 OWSers who protested NDAA at Grand Central yesterday pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #70

200, you say. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #78

Moving the goalposts pinboy3niner Jan 2012 #114

Where have you been ? FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #67

No, that's not quite true or accurate. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #76

have you looked in the buildings? 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #181

CEO pay to worker pay: 475:1. Initech Jan 2012 #60

And this is the MAIN reason that the Occupy movement will NOT socialist_n_TN Jan 2012 #132

Why do you put quotes around something nobody has ever said? frazzled Jan 2012 #61

Because it has been said here in several threads nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #64

Making up quotes to argue against is weak. zappaman Jan 2012 #72

It was clearly a paraphrase. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #93

a quote is a paraphrase? zappaman Jan 2012 #98

Really? girl gone mad Jan 2012 #101

no I think making up quotes is wrong. zappaman Jan 2012 #103

I think one would have to be fairly dim.. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #108

yes, it certainly would be dim to think an assertion with quotes marks on either end was a quote! zappaman Jan 2012 #109

+1 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #182

So you think that's funny? It looks more like harassment to me. Get a grip. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #136

Awwwwww zappaman Jan 2012 #138

You didn't point out shit but hubris of your own. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #146

OMC is that you? U4ikLefty Jan 2012 #154

... SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #253

Show me the money frazzled Jan 2012 #120

And the new college semester is about to start. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #63

That should be interesting nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #65

Yes! :) nt Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #74

It will not go away. The economy is improving so slowly that lots of people don't even notice it. totodeinhere Jan 2012 #69

Why I used quotation marks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #73

This was predicted by Ross Perot when he told the truth about the effects of NAFTA in 1992. bvar22 Jan 2012 #84

1994 - GATT ciaoant1 Jan 2012 #88

I AGREE LadyInAZ Jan 2012 #159

Protests are here to stay - butwill they successful? ciaoant1 Jan 2012 #85

That depends on how big they get and how much socialist_n_TN Jan 2012 #148

Non sequitur. bemildred Jan 2012 #94

The OWs are going nowhere malaise Jan 2012 #113

If that is the agenda of operatives, then it will fail. Rex Jan 2012 #116

OWS is not really about the economy. It's about equality. Therefore librechik Jan 2012 #126

Yup, the economy is just one part of it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #127

Right on! obliviously Jan 2012 #130

Take a look at tuition hikes, food hikes, everything but wages hikes. Nope not going afuckingway. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #135

Yup, but indeed some folks still do believe that it will go away nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #137

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #139

Hey Monty22001 Jan 2012 #152

Actually dealing with the economic situation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #153

I keep hearing/reading about Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #155

Well if you pay attention you will find out nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #156

You haven't answered the question Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #157

My lord, I did nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #158

No, you didn't Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #160

And I take it sitting on the couch, which is what some folks secretly want, works nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #203

Then stop telling us how important OWS is. randome Jan 2012 #205

This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #207

Well, I guess I have my answer Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #218

At least you didn't get on their 'list' like hack89 and I did. randome Jan 2012 #219

This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #220

I disagree zappaman Jan 2012 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #236

Ah how nice, personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #238

Doesn't seem like a personal attack zappaman Jan 2012 #244

This will be my last post on this thread. (Maybe). randome Jan 2012 #167

+ 1 nt hack89 Jan 2012 #185

people do keep posting OWS accomplishments 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #194

You, like Nadine, keep mistaking action for accomplishments hack89 Jan 2012 #197

This is a recording. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #209

I really was not expecting you to venture into new territory hack89 Jan 2012 #222

This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #224

So the intellectual depth of OWS is revealed. Thanks! nt hack89 Jan 2012 #226

This is a recording of talking point number one nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #228

We now have a black President. How long did it take for MLK/Civil rights movement to accomplish Zorra Jan 2012 #212

With all due respect... randome Jan 2012 #214

This is a recording. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #216

You are correct my friend nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #217

And we may have a white president next year hack89 Jan 2012 #223

This is a recording of talking point number two nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #229

LaLaLaLaLaL - now that is an intellectual retort! Bravo!. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #232

Actually I think it is point number four - but I might have lost track. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #233

That's all YOU GOT LEFT... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #237

Since you want to talk in short hand, why can't I? hack89 Jan 2012 #239

Actually you are not worth it... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #241

It was worth another post from you - something I will treasure. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #242

so it's all up to OWS now? 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #245

Either they are a game changing national movement or they are not hack89 Jan 2012 #246

they will support those that support the people 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #247

Call me when OWS puts a million people on the Mall in DC hack89 Jan 2012 #248

I don't get it. Not at all. Seems some here want it both ways. Why anyone other than the SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #255

Damn! You found us out! I congratulate you, Mr. 2pooped2pop! randome Jan 2012 #198

This is a recording nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #206

Guys. Help me out, here. randome Jan 2012 #210

Alas it's about you nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #211

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Milk, it does a body good nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #235

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