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residentcynic

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115. Define "conspired"

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:52 PM

Mar 2019

We agree that Trump is a con man, a loud mouth, a braggart and is, at best, very ignorant of many, many facts, or, at worst, just a really unintelligent man. I've always wondered if the Russian government (or their agents/oligarchs, etc.) would be stupid enough to deal directly with him on anything. I find it more believable that his handlers, after either being paid (Manafort) or promised millions, did the dirty deeds, knowing that, with a little flattery and the hint of future deals, they could persuade Trump to reverse the Magnitisky Act and go along with Russia exerting its influence in other parts of the globe.

Did Trump KNOW about it? That's a hard one. I can't see how he didn't get some hints, but he does not strike me as a detail man. He is mentally disorganized. There are so many things he does not know (how to spell, what uranium is, that a Christmas SNL running in March must be a rerun). Does KNOWING mean he conspired? I don't know the legal definition, but I doubt it does. Did the Russians interfere. YES! Did the Russians interfere FOR Trump? Yes. The questions are a) Why? and b) Will they be stopped in 2020? I don't feel too good about either answers.

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Yes or No, Do you still believe that Trump conspired with Russia? [View all] kentuck Mar 2019 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwest Mar 2019 #1

Hell yes Roland99 Mar 2019 #2

me too. n/t MBS Mar 2019 #117

Yes, Trump is a traitor. trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #134

There is a non zero chance he was a useful idiot. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #3

and if he was, he is unfit. mopinko Mar 2019 #48

you are only 1/2 right Perseus Mar 2019 #70

He has plenty of help Scarsdale Mar 2019 #72

Trump is definitely not smart enough to conspire. A useful idiot who looked the other way as our Pepsidog Mar 2019 #83

What? You don't do polls? Oh, and Hell yes he did...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #4

Absolutely YES Pachamama Mar 2019 #5

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2019 #6

A poll that isn't. My poor fingers. Yes. Abso effing lutely. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2019 #7

drumpf illegally conspired with Russia to steal the election. lark Mar 2019 #8

There was no signed agreement between Trump and the Russian Government! Beausoleil Mar 2019 #9

Exactly! justie18 Mar 2019 #38

Yeah, I didn't know a conspiracy had to be fully documented, Beausoleil Mar 2019 #55

Yes Bettie Mar 2019 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author sop Mar 2019 #82

Yep. MelissaB Mar 2019 #11

Do I believe there were weekly meetings and organized conspiracy? Never did. PeeJ52 Mar 2019 #12

YES YES YES YES and bluestarone Mar 2019 #13

Of course. Bonx Mar 2019 #14

people have been convicted on far less. unblock Mar 2019 #15

Yes. Without a doubt. GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #16

110% yes... myohmy2 Mar 2019 #17

With the russian government? No. leftynyc Mar 2019 #18

William Barr's summary said the Russian government YessirAtsaFact Mar 2019 #35

Good point leftynyc Mar 2019 #45

Both the FSB & the GRU are part of the Russian Government and they worked to rig the election ... Botany Mar 2019 #63

Yep. triron Mar 2019 #202

this shanny Mar 2019 #109

YES ! dweller Mar 2019 #19

Yes. MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #20

Did he directly do it to undermine the integrity of the election? Freethinker65 Mar 2019 #21

You hit the nail right on the head, FT65. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #215

Yes he did. lpbk2713 Mar 2019 #22

He willingly accepted their offer. Polly Hennessey Mar 2019 #23

With all that was happening then, yes rockfordfile Mar 2019 #24

Hell yes. Nt Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #25

YES !!! and Barr report only talked about Russian Government uponit7771 Mar 2019 #26

Bingo louis c Mar 2019 #74

No doubt about it. Butterflylady Mar 2019 #27

Absolutely. But, is there a transcript, tape, email, text that has him saying "Russia, help me win" Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #28

Yes there is a video: "Russia if you are listening..." Doodley Mar 2019 #42

True dat. Yet people already know about that - and they don't give a shit. Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #52

Exactly. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #208

+1 ck4829 Mar 2019 #224

trump is putin's puppet Gothmog Mar 2019 #29

Of course he did Leith Mar 2019 #30

Perhaps he was too dumb to conspire and Russia too smart to conspire with him. Sneederbunk Mar 2019 #31

Yes. Delphinus Mar 2019 #32

Does this feel like a coup? Hell yeah! democratisphere Mar 2019 #33

Absofuckinglutely Celerity Mar 2019 #34

Wow! I had not seen that one. Yikes! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2019 #220

I think there is plenty of evidence Trump conspired with Russia Jarqui Mar 2019 #36

Yes, I do. PatrickforO Mar 2019 #37

100% Hell Yes! djacq Mar 2019 #39

yes nt yaesu Mar 2019 #40

Yes,yes,a thousand times yes. old guy Mar 2019 #41

Absolutely. That being said I think Bannon, Stone, Manafort are too savvy to outright break the law mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #43

He directly asked Russia to release Hillary Clinton's emails. It was collusion, out in the open. Doodley Mar 2019 #44

We need someone to leak the full Mueller report NOW. Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #46

Yes. He may have agreed personally well before he announced Hortensis Mar 2019 #47

Yes Takket Mar 2019 #49

Yes Mickju Mar 2019 #50

I have no reason not to believe it. Too much care has been taken to cover it up. ooky Mar 2019 #51

No doubt redstateblues Mar 2019 #53

Yes...but it's a difficult thing to prove... ewagner Mar 2019 #54

especially if he (Mueller) was limited to collusion DURING the election Locrian Mar 2019 #58

Yup... B Stieg Mar 2019 #56

Mueller the traitor? Vdizzle Mar 2019 #200

Why not? B Stieg Mar 2019 #214

no, because i never did. as in being able to prove trump directly Kurt V. Mar 2019 #57

Helsinki yes he conspired with Russia. IMHO IADEMO2004 Mar 2019 #59

Yep ck4829 Mar 2019 #225

Yes! Sunsky Mar 2019 #60

Yes! 100% certain. Greybnk48 Mar 2019 #61

Yes, certainly Glorfindel Mar 2019 #62

You know it. Anyone who can actually think for themselves knows it. KPN Mar 2019 #64

Totally and unequivocally. Trump aided and abetted a hostile foreign power that would help him win ancianita Mar 2019 #65

He's been doing it on TV since 2016. dchill Mar 2019 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Mar 2019 #67

yep. triron Mar 2019 #68

Yes Generic Other Mar 2019 #69

YES!!👏 wendyb Mar 2019 #71

Sorta zipplewrath Mar 2019 #73

That's kind of where I am Puzzledtraveller Mar 2019 #196

I absolutely believe he colluded with Russia. Texin Mar 2019 #75

BIG.FUCKING.TIME. 50 Shades Of Blue Mar 2019 #76

There is no doubt in my mind The Liberal Lion Mar 2019 #77

I believe he is a pawn of the Russians...Putin's puppet or pawn. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #78

Yes. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #79

Of course. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2019 #80

What happened and what you can prove are not always the same. Joe941 Mar 2019 #81

Without doubt, hell yes! nightwing1240 Mar 2019 #84

Yes. dmr Mar 2019 #85

YES!!!!!! gopiscrap Mar 2019 #86

I think he's still conspiring and not just with Russia. Follow the money to Trump projects. Vinca Mar 2019 #87

45 is a lying, traitorous, sack of $hit. mnhtnbb Mar 2019 #88

Need the Evidence that is in the Mueller Report McKim Mar 2019 #89

Yes Timmygoat Mar 2019 #92

Do bears poop in the woods? Totally Tunsie Mar 2019 #90

You better believe it! il_lilac Mar 2019 #91

yes. barbtries Mar 2019 #93

thank you for calling it the barr report. we do not know what is in the Mueller report, niyad Mar 2019 #94

He's either a Russian asset or a Russian agent...a distinction w/o a difference IMO. rainin Mar 2019 #95

Well, lillypaddle Mar 2019 #96

Yes, the few "official" contacts confirmed mutual agreement bigbrother05 Mar 2019 #97

yes k & r n/t prairierose Mar 2019 #98

Yes. Trump was and continues to be a Russian asset. nt SunSeeker Mar 2019 #99

Absolutely Niagara Mar 2019 #100

He certainly did Pepsidog Mar 2019 #101

Indubitably geardaddy Mar 2019 #102

It was Trump/Putin in 2016 at140 Mar 2019 #103

He absolutely did jmowreader Mar 2019 #104

Yes. What you said mtngirl47 Mar 2019 #105

Yes, all evidence points to conspiracy. CharleyDog Mar 2019 #106

Even if all the evidence is circumstantial, it is very strong... kentuck Mar 2019 #111

What you said FakeNoose Mar 2019 #175

Of Course! DarthDem Mar 2019 #107

Absolutely. Different Drummer Mar 2019 #108

YES, ABSOLUTELY!!! pazzyanne Mar 2019 #110

Absolutely, I would bet my life on it. smirkymonkey Mar 2019 #112

Yes and yes again WestCoastDem42 Mar 2019 #113

Yes, it's beyond obvious Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #114

Define "conspired" residentcynic Mar 2019 #115

I think it's a given that Trump & family knew Russia was working on winning the election for him. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #122

No argument from me residentcynic Mar 2019 #123

personally, I don't know... yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #116

Yes, and I'm not moving on until I have answers Ponietz Mar 2019 #118

Yes X 1000 sellitman Mar 2019 #119

Yes. DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #120

Yes! Emphatically yes! llmart Mar 2019 #121

I don't believe it, I KNOW it (just like I knew the Iraq WMD was a lie). I KNOW things. joanbarnes Mar 2019 #124

Yes, I believe he did lunamagica Mar 2019 #125

Trump himself? No. Someone(s) in his campaign, and possibly family? Yes. jpljr77 Mar 2019 #126

Of course he did. He's a criminal in every aspect of his life. onecaliberal Mar 2019 #127

Yes, pretty obvious to me. walkingman Mar 2019 #128

Yes ananda Mar 2019 #129

Yes bighart Mar 2019 #130

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ElementaryPenguin Mar 2019 #131

Does a Russian bear shit in the woods? n/t shanti Mar 2019 #132

Yes. Period. Full stop. MaeScott Mar 2019 #133

YES!!!! colsohlibgal Mar 2019 #135

Yes Runningdawg Mar 2019 #136

Yes. I have NO DOUBTS whatsoever. Silver Gaia Mar 2019 #137

yes proud patriot Mar 2019 #138

I have no fucking doubt that Pussy Grabber conspired with and got pissed on by russians. BigDemVoter Mar 2019 #139

Yes because... jimlup Mar 2019 #140

Abso effin' lutely! So does Kevin McCarthy and Paul Ryan. JAD Mar 2019 #141

Yes jeaps Mar 2019 #142

Yes Meowmee Mar 2019 #143

Yes, he cooperated. happy feet Mar 2019 #144

As I have always believed, Progressive Jones Mar 2019 #145

Yes. CaptainTruth Mar 2019 #146

Yes cp Mar 2019 #147

Does the Pope use the porcelain in the Vatican? marble falls Mar 2019 #148

I think he used "plausible deniability" like many in power do when something shady benefits him. ehrnst Mar 2019 #149

++++ sheshe2 Mar 2019 #157

I agree mcar Mar 2019 #164

That is exactly how the mafia operated BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #167

+1 nt brer cat Mar 2019 #197

He's a half-witting Russian asset. He believes what Vlad tells him. Hassler Mar 2019 #150

Yes. tosh Mar 2019 #151

The contention that Mueller could find no evidence Moral Compass Mar 2019 #152

No doubt sfwriter Mar 2019 #153

I never did. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2019 #154

Of course he did. wendyb-NC Mar 2019 #155

We will not be gaslighted by all that we read and saw these last several years. Efilroft Sul Mar 2019 #156

Yes, and likely followed the mafia model of hands off, with no electronic trail. He got all his OnDoutside Mar 2019 #158

YES ... definitely CatMor Mar 2019 #159

NO underpants Mar 2019 #160

Yes. underthematrix Mar 2019 #161

Is this a trick question? Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #162

Of course he did. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 2019 #163

Yes. sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #165

Ab-so-lutey!!! samplegirl Mar 2019 #166

yes indeed dawn5651 Mar 2019 #168

Yes. highplainsdem Mar 2019 #169

No question about it - YES! n/t solara Mar 2019 #170

yep 0rganism Mar 2019 #171

Do Trump supporters shit in the woods? AdamGG Mar 2019 #172

Of course. paleotn Mar 2019 #173

I don't think, I know. Mr.Bill Mar 2019 #174

Yes Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #176

I think he conspired with Russians. shanny Mar 2019 #177

Yes leanforward Mar 2019 #178

Yes yes a thousand times yes! n/t coeur_de_lion Mar 2019 #179

Yes, yes,yes,yes! bitterross Mar 2019 #180

Yes. nt dflprincess Mar 2019 #181

Duh. Amaryllis Mar 2019 #182

There is no doubt in my mind, if he didn't why has so many people lied doc03 Mar 2019 #183

Yes. stillcool Mar 2019 #184

This is about as predictable as taking a poll of biologists as to whether evolution is true... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #185

Yes. Mersky Mar 2019 #186

You have to ask? czarjak Mar 2019 #187

Yes Loryn Mar 2019 #188

It's right there in front of us WyLoochka Mar 2019 #189

Oh hell yes...nt N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2019 #190

Yes. PinkTiger Mar 2019 #191

Definitely. broiles Mar 2019 #192

Yes, he has no choice. GeorgeGist Mar 2019 #193

Yes Luciferous Mar 2019 #194

Yup Blue Owl Mar 2019 #195

In plain sight. And still ongoing. n/t Mister Ed Mar 2019 #198

Da. tclambert Mar 2019 #199

Da. Leghorn21 Mar 2019 #201

F%CK YES! n/t Richard D Mar 2019 #203

of course TalenaGor Mar 2019 #204

Yes LW1977 Mar 2019 #205

Fucking-hell YES he conspired. The S.O.B. meet with Putin ALONE, behind closed doors. VOX Mar 2019 #206

He did it in full view of the public. No one gets a pass for "joking" here. NCLefty Mar 2019 #207

At the VERY LEAST with the oligarchy. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #209

F...in A diddly!!! Oldtimeralso Mar 2019 #210

Yes! "Russia, if you're listening..." How many times have we seen that??! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #211

yes n/t bobGandolf Mar 2019 #212

I mean, is being a paid employee considered conspiring? quakerboy Mar 2019 #213

Any person who doesn't know Aussie105 Mar 2019 #216

He's a traitor. EndGOPPropaganda Mar 2019 #217

YES. BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #218

No doubt in my mind, and Barr is a partisan liar. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2019 #219

What do you think? nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2019 #221

Fuck yeah. argyl Mar 2019 #222

Yes ck4829 Mar 2019 #223

Obviously YES and rump's team made sure to leak everything out in drips so it would not be UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #226

Personally, I believe he did and he did through others and knew about it. Thomas Hurt Mar 2019 #227

I think he wanted to Kali Mar 2019 #228

Absolutely yes. nt tblue37 Mar 2019 #229

Yes. It's obvious from his public actions and utterances. northoftheborder Mar 2019 #230

And this is what's going on with global warming and Hillary on the other side... Terry_M Mar 2019 #231

yes Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #232

Of course. I knew something was wrong the night he won fescuerescue Apr 2019 #233