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In reply to the discussion: Yes or No, Do you still believe that Trump conspired with Russia? [View all]Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Because of what we DO know for a fact:
1. Russia operative contacted a Trump team member to say the Russians had, or were getting, some illegally obtained dirt on Hillary Clinton and/or the Democrats, and was the Trump team interested in a meeting about it?
2. Trump team member did email to Don Trump Jr. relaying that and asking if he wanted to attend a mtg w/the Russian operative. Trump Jr. responds "I LOVE IT!" and agreed to the meeting.
3. The meeting with the Russian operative was held in the summer of 2016 in Trump Tower, with at least Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort attending all or part of it. During hte meeting they discussed the adoption policy of Russia for Americans adopting Russian babies (that is, a U S sanctions matter, called The Magnitsky Act...which the U S instituted blocking Russia's ability to use certain global banks, in response to actions by Russia....and in retaliation, the Russians blocked the adoption of Russian babies by the U.S. The Magnitsky Act was a big pain for Putin such that he was very ticked over it, since that was a main source for Russian money globally.)
4. It is documented that Gen Flynn had promised the Russians that the administration would work on canceling The Magnitsky Act and maybe other sanctions.
5. When the summer 2016 meeting came to light, Trump Jr. was asked (forget by whom) the purpose of that mtg. It is learned that Trump was on AF 1 at the time the question was asked, and it was Trump who prepared the response to that question. The response was represented to come from Trump Jr., and said there was a short meeting about adoptions.
6. #5 shows that Trump mislead the authorities of the purpose of that meeting, as did Trump Jr. and Manafort & Kushner.
7. Trump team members had lied on their security forms multiple times in not disclosing that meeting (and other apparently more casual meetings).
8. It is later learned that there were over 100 communications between the Russians and the Trump team members before the election, none of which were disclosed by any team member of their security forms.
Because of the above, it is indisputable that Trump knew the Russians were working on helping Trump win or Clinton lose, whichever way you want to look at it. Apparently that doesn't rise to the level of conspiring with them or aiding and abetting? We haven't seen the report, so we can't say for sure at this time, but there will be no indictments for it.
But he KNEW. That's indisputable, based on known facts.