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69. All appropriations do not necessarily start in the House
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 03:39 PM
Mar 2019

All revenue raising measures must, per Article I, Section 7 of the Constitution, originate in the House --- "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the house of representatives; but the senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills."

It is a common misunderstanding that the Constitution requires appropriations (spending) bills to originate in the House. That misunderstanding arises because, as a matter of tradition, the Senate usually defers to the House. But even when that is the case, there is nothing that prevents the Senate from amending the bill that originated in the House to add or delete provisions as they choose.

Indeed, the Senate doesn't even have to wait for the House to act on its bill before starting work on its own appropriations measures. It is more common than not for the Senate, even if it introduces its appropriations bills after the House does, to introduce those measures within days of the House and to consider them independently of the House.

To give one relatively recent example, a FY2019 Transportation, HUD, et al Appropriations bill was introduced in the Senate (S3023) on June 7, 2018. The House introduced a FY2019 Transportation, HUD et al Appropriations bill (HR6072) five days later on June 12, 2018.

The bottom line is that there is no way to "de-fund" the Office of the Attorney General without the concurrence of both houses of Congress, which isn't happening and, thus, a House passed measure trying to accomplish that end will never become effective and would be a total waste of time.

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Now you're talking. Chin music Mar 2019 #1
Sounds good to me, lets go katmondoo Mar 2019 #2
Indeed...LET'S GO. Chin music Mar 2019 #10
Katyal is the former Acting Solicitor General of the United States .. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #3
Yes and he messed up. He left enough loopholes drray23 Mar 2019 #68
I love this guy !! nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #4
Exactly. We're paying for this shit show. We should call in our chips. nt SunSeeker Mar 2019 #5
It' springtime and it feels like October. Chin music Mar 2019 #11
K&R!! 2naSalit Mar 2019 #6
What a great idea malaise Mar 2019 #7
(I was thinking the other day, withhold Barr's salary until he releases....) lastlib Mar 2019 #63
Do it. CentralMass Mar 2019 #8
DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!! TruckFump Mar 2019 #9
Neal goes there...LAWLESSNESS....could there be a better description for what we are asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #12
Congress is the Peoples Branch. No wonder he thinks he doesnt have to answer to us. Chin music Mar 2019 #13
Barr was probably already paid handsomely watoos Mar 2019 #14
Does anyone else think Neal might feel responsible cilla4progress Mar 2019 #15
I'm not sure anyone could have anticipated the perfidy of today's Republicans... Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #17
Yes, cilla4progress Mar 2019 #20
I'm afraid that anything re: government not codified into law will be used and abused Ligyron Mar 2019 #35
How about defunding the WH? democratisphere Mar 2019 #16
how can we defund trips for golf and maralago? :-) nt Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #24
Excellent idea. nt DLevine Mar 2019 #18
That's what I call bringing a gun to a knife fight!!! padah513 Mar 2019 #19
Trump has spent millions on golf. I think that is enough. notdarkyet Mar 2019 #31
You know damn well the Republicans would do it in a heartbeat Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #21
there's no way to see that report in full using regular certainot Mar 2019 #64
Hey Honey .... take away hiw money !!! Embarass the Hell-o out of Barr !!!! trueblue2007 Mar 2019 #22
Would Barr care? SHRED Mar 2019 #23
He would only care because Dems are taking it from him, not that it had a good purpose. lark Mar 2019 #25
Excellent idea - kill the money flow onetexan Mar 2019 #26
Wow, I actually thought that on Monday but I didn't think it realistic !!! OnDoutside Mar 2019 #27
This is the type of Action that Can and Should be done. MarcA Mar 2019 #28
How "can" this be done effectively onenote Mar 2019 #52
Thank you. Do it already! triron Mar 2019 #29
It's all about 💰 and power Butterflylady Mar 2019 #30
K&R! gademocrat7 Mar 2019 #32
The Senate will laugh Capperdan Mar 2019 #33
So both congressional bodies needed to stop the money flow? tia uponit7771 Mar 2019 #34
Yes, The House would need Senate approval madville Mar 2019 #37
Yes...Congress always has the option to shutdown the government. Hasn't worked out too well tritsofme Mar 2019 #36
Do it, do it, please do it......... nt Hotler Mar 2019 #38
No. Just no. California_Republic Mar 2019 #39
Rs can't shut it down. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #40
No they don't former9thward Mar 2019 #44
I will take the word of the former acting Solicitor General, sorry. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #46
The rules are written by the U.S. Constitution. former9thward Mar 2019 #48
Actually, funding bills don't have to start in House onenote Mar 2019 #53
Regardless......the House can't do it unilaterally. The Senate would have to go along with it. WillowTree Mar 2019 #58
Absolutely correct. onenote Mar 2019 #60
Can't convict, what never happened. I'm sure Pres H Clinton would take an investigation Chin music Mar 2019 #41
Yes, but it's different when we do things like this. hughee99 Mar 2019 #49
They wont do this anyway !??!?! PLEEEEEASE Stop asking slope questions about the KGOP !!! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #72
This year's budget is already set, but next FY is another DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #42
Exactly. It sends a strong message! hughee99 Mar 2019 #50
It sends the message that Dems are serious about getting DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #67
i remember when Trump "got serious" about building a wall. hughee99 Mar 2019 #71
Why do you think the Senate can't do anything about it? onenote Mar 2019 #51
Because all appropriations start in the House DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #65
All appropriations do not necessarily start in the House onenote Mar 2019 #69
They can recommend anything they want. WillowTree Mar 2019 #61
That's not how it works DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #66
Please cite the passage in that link....... WillowTree Mar 2019 #70
What a monumentally stupid waste of time idea. onenote Mar 2019 #43
Transfer the DOJ funds to the Special Olympics. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2019 #45
love it Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #47
I'm stunned that so many DUers on this thread don't understand that both the House and Senate onenote Mar 2019 #54
Frankly, I'm regularly surprised....... WillowTree Mar 2019 #62
By all means. You need to do something. Firestorm49 Mar 2019 #55
Perfect strategy nt BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #56
Rec, thanks G2. Nt Mc Mike Mar 2019 #57
defund whitehouse budget...let them fly coach to Florida beachbum bob Mar 2019 #59
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