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Drunken Irishman

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13. Pelosi is right and wrong...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:26 PM
Apr 2019

It's not about the 90% of Republicans who support him. It's about the voters who, for whatever reason, didn't vote or voted third party in 2016. Those voters are still susceptible to Trump's ability and character. These are the same voters who thought, for some god-awful reason, he would be tamed by the presidency or would be handicapped from doing any harm.

Now they know better.

Just focusing on the policies is what got us Trump in the first place. Hillary ran one of the most substantive, policy-driven campaigns in American history and still lost because, at the end of the day, people only heard the attacks, whether it was about locking her up or otherwise.

Case in point: the 2016 debates. Trump was off the rail crazy and Hillary generally stuck to ideas and policy. It didn't do a damn good for her campaign, though. What people heard was Trump lobbing bombastic accusation after another and it overwhelmed to the point it drowned out Hillary's policy-driven answers. Where Hillary REALLY landed her hits was when she went after Trump's character - specifically as it tied to Russia. Her line about him being Putin's puppet landed more than any other line of her's in that debate. It flustered Trump. He came back with a silly, "you're the puppet" but she backed off, went back into policy, and that was that.

We need to do both. We need to address policy but also go hard at Trump's character. We CANNOT treat this like a typical general election. The Democrats ran a typical presidential campaign in 2016 and have nothing to show for it. 2020 won't be any different. They've got to get nasty because Trump will be nasty and just focusing on policy cedes all the zingers and one-liners to him and he then dominates the airways.

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and these are people that some Democrats want us to make "inroads" with PupCamo Apr 2019 #1
His approval has fallen in WI, MI, and PA. sfwriter Apr 2019 #53
We need someone who communicates better TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #60
Nancy Pelosi is 100% right Ohiogal Apr 2019 #2
The need for sound bites hurt Clinton, she wasn't good at it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #4
I was constantly thumping my head on my desk during the 16 election season Revanchist Apr 2019 #66
You are right that running against Trump's character won't work. marylandblue Apr 2019 #3
That's the thing with Republicans BurntPickle Apr 2019 #17
I disagree with Sanders on many issues and think he is hiding his tax returns for a reason marylandblue Apr 2019 #26
Why should they lie, their intent is obvious. Blue_true Apr 2019 #27
Because that's not what they say and that's not how they live their lives marylandblue Apr 2019 #30
They vote for him, so they support him. Blue_true Apr 2019 #43
That's true, it doesn't get any simpler than that. But people aren't so simple. marylandblue Apr 2019 #46
Ok, we agree to disagree. I generally like your posts when you make them, btw, Blue_true Apr 2019 #50
You are a busy poster ChubbyStar Apr 2019 #67
Ok. And thank you. marylandblue Apr 2019 #70
I think Trump is sort of their Michael Cohen gulliver Apr 2019 #5
Bingo. Blue_true Apr 2019 #28
And the remaining 10% will still vote for him anyway fescuerescue Apr 2019 #6
Only thing this proves is bluestarone Apr 2019 #7
Republicans are an endangered species itsrobert Apr 2019 #8
I hope your right but I'll believe it when I see it. After the BS Iraq war I would have bet money walkingman Apr 2019 #11
The 2018 special election results, the 2018 election and more recent races say the poster's Blue_true Apr 2019 #29
Turnout isn't guaranteed for us TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #63
True. But nothing in life is a certainty. Blue_true Apr 2019 #64
I think it shows a failure to communicate. Trump gets away with his lies and takes credit Doodley Apr 2019 #9
90% of a fast-shrinking group. I know many people who have left the party. MANY. berni_mccoy Apr 2019 #10
Yep - every day! FakeNoose Apr 2019 #12
In my county, Hillary Clinton ran closer to Trump than I figured she would. Blue_true Apr 2019 #31
Pelosi is right and wrong... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #13
Hillary's campaign had some self inflicted wounds. Blue_true Apr 2019 #34
I agree with your first paragraph. Your second is wrong. Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #36
I did say that we must have Bill Clinton and Barack Obama style rapid response. Blue_true Apr 2019 #44
I think we need to hit on two fonts - who he is as a person and his policies... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #47
I am ok with your ideas, but we need to make sure that we have those efforts fine tuned, Blue_true Apr 2019 #51
Doesn't surprise me. I have yet to meet a Republican voter, John Fante Apr 2019 #14
trumpism is a religion. Goodheart Apr 2019 #15
Republicans are assholes rufus dog Apr 2019 #16
Actually. Blue_true Apr 2019 #35
Only about 25% of American voters identify as Republican whathehell Apr 2019 #18
Trump blows their cover. That's why they leave. They still vot GOP LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #32
I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding you.. whathehell Apr 2019 #68
Republicans becoming independent over trump haven't changed their philosophy LuvLoogie Apr 2019 #72
I understand what you're saying.. whathehell Apr 2019 #74
Pennsylvania and Michigan struggle4progress Apr 2019 #19
In my republican led county, at best, things have not changed at all. Blue_true Apr 2019 #37
Approval tanks in 5 swing states he won in 2016 struggle4progress Apr 2019 #20
I truly believe that Hillary would have won Florida in 2016 had her campaign blanketed Blue_true Apr 2019 #41
Wisconsin even more so. Hillary didn't come here even ONCE during the General campaign... Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #52
Our nominee and his or her staff can't make those mistakes again. Blue_true Apr 2019 #57
You are exactly right. Scott Walker lost his re-election bid here not because Evers won the rural Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #75
Midwesterners TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #61
It did feel like a slight, and we're Democrats. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #76
Nobody cares what the lowest quality residents of the US think. nt Progressive Jones Apr 2019 #21
They always vote, many people on our side find reason not to vote. Blue_true Apr 2019 #42
Well underwater in Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan struggle4progress Apr 2019 #22
How do we ever "kiss and make up"?... knowing who and what they are... albacore Apr 2019 #23
Those with a low opinion of him... lame54 Apr 2019 #24
Higher than before and sure to go up because the denominator is shrinking PSPS Apr 2019 #25
The more important number is how many people still identify as Republican. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #33
yes Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #40
+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #54
judges and immigration Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #38
I know 3 people who have left the Republican Party. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #39
I have a cousin shanti Apr 2019 #45
Some day this will all be behind us FakeNoose Apr 2019 #49
As long as we have right wing media screaming propaganda nothing will change. Kablooie Apr 2019 #55
Not surprised since the GOP has transformed into the DOP. Deplorable Old Party. nt UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #48
WWE crowd moondust Apr 2019 #56
And like lemmings, they will be 90 percent behind the next Republican in the WH. no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #58
But consider only 26% of the population identify as Republicans. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #59
Reuters says 82.4. YouGov says 83. Ipsos says 82. 90% sounds like an outlier. pnwmom Apr 2019 #62
i'm shocked it is that low. He is worship by them without question, like a god Takket Apr 2019 #65
If we run on TheFarseer Apr 2019 #69
Did they poll former Repugs? JSK Apr 2019 #71
I hope more republicans are leaving their R club. nt Ilsa Apr 2019 #73
I call BULLSHIT on the 90% - that # to me equates to almost universal admiration - I say IMPOSSIBLE. NoMoreRepugs Apr 2019 #77
Gallup poll Mar 1-10 Kablooie Apr 2019 #78
No, it points to party above country, and that's nothing new for republicans. EleanorR Apr 2019 #79
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