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matt819

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127. Horse dead. Still beating it.

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:03 PM

Apr 2019

Impeaching him in the House is one thing. No prob.

Convicting him in the Senate something else entirely. Big prob.

Overall, then, waste of time. Accomplishes nothing.

What happens in 2020 happens. For better, if we win. Or worse, if he wins. We'll deal with it. We have to. The alternative is the destruction of the republic.

And, unlike Nixon, Trump will not resign under threat of impeachment.

Unless the Mueller report drops some bombs or Trump does something so egregious that the Senate might convict, then this could change. Until then, could we please stop beating this dead horse?

All of that said, I'm listening to a book about Hitler's rise to power, Hitler's Compromises by Nathan Stoltzfus. The parallels, while not necessarily exactly like what we're seeing now in the US, are nonetheless remarkable. Still, doesn't change my comments on impeachment.

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Will history record that Democrats made a huge mistake in not impeaching Donald Trump? [View all] kentuck Apr 2019 OP

THE MATH IS NOT THERE... lame54 Apr 2019 #1

There is a clock on that shot and we can't afford to let it run out without an attempt. Runningdawg Apr 2019 #2

BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #48

Damn the math; full speed ahead! delisen Apr 2019 #71

ITS NOT ABOUT MATH ITS ABOUT DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #6

It is SO ABOUT MATH... lame54 Apr 2019 #14

Empower him to do what? Violate the emoluments clause daily on live TV ?! That empowerment?! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #29

Empower him to get re-elected. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #35

That's not what happened with Republicans did such, Bush was elected after Clinton uponit7771 Apr 2019 #45

Clinton was more popular after his failed impeachment than before. pnwmom Apr 2019 #52

Right, republicans won while doing their job of impeaching Clinton. We can do the same and do our uponit7771 Apr 2019 #57

No, it's just very rare to get that third term, and Gore wasn't as personally popular as Clinton. nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #62

I don't see Trump becoming as popular as Clinton if he's impeached for openly violating constitution uponit7771 Apr 2019 #64

It all depends on the evidence that can be uncovered against him, and Pelosi's in the position pnwmom Apr 2019 #66

There's nothing to "uncover" he's violating the emoluments clause as we type with Mira-Logos ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #67

His charity collapsed in illegality Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #155

Clinton was more popular, but people voted against Al Gore because they couldn't vote against Aristus Apr 2019 #61

RIGHT !!! and there'd be few people who'd bet Red Don would become MORE popular after he's impeached uponit7771 Apr 2019 #65

Clinton Lost it for Gore McKim Apr 2019 #133

The 2000 "election" was a stolen election. Clinton did not lose it for Gore. diva77 Apr 2019 #166

Clinton was also more popular than Trump before his impeachment delisen Apr 2019 #72

Thanks to Nader mcar Apr 2019 #84

The midterms after Clinton impeachment were mcar Apr 2019 #83

Again, I'll put good money on it that Trump will never reach Clinton's popularity with democrats uponit7771 Apr 2019 #91

He doesn't care about any law anymore, except perhaps, murder by himself. Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #108

You have raised the alarm!!!! ehrnst Apr 2019 #139

He doesn't care about any law at this point. He's broken so many... Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #142

The constitution makes it very hard to unseat a POTUS. ehrnst Apr 2019 #143

That's an excuse for not doing what must be done against an alleged felon... Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #144

Yes, exactly. What, enpower him to appoint more Supreme Court Justice(s)? Cage more kids? Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #164

Feel free to post your evidence Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #93

Thanks for your evidence... lame54 Apr 2019 #98

You made the initial assertion, the burden of proof lies with you Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #100

I'm thinking it is impossible at this time... lame54 Apr 2019 #104

Unless the Muller report comes out with the goods and even republicans will get sick about the info Perseus Apr 2019 #131

The people don't want it Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #130

The people didn't favour impeaching Nixon right away Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #136

The tide turned against Nixon Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #146

The evidence is already there for the taking Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #149

And the people are still against impeachment Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #156

I don't consider defending the Constitution useless Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #158

It is useless Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #159

Nice to know you put party before country nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #161

That's uncalled for because that is not what I said Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #162

And we cannot afford to lose the election. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #17

This is false on its face, there's no math for removal but impeachment there is the math uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20

Agreed. Mike Niendorff Apr 2019 #28

+1, his emoluments violations alone are a multiple shot along with insurance fraud. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #30

+1 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #60

His charity collapsed in illegality Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #116

this too !! I'm thinking someone has a list of crap this guy has done illegally that we know of uponit7771 Apr 2019 #122

this is not provable. you have no way if knowing how these senators would vote Kurt V. Apr 2019 #55

The premise is that we impeach now knowing what we know now... lame54 Apr 2019 #97

Thank you mcar Apr 2019 #81

Then have public hearings and reveal the boatload of Trump crimes NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #126

Depends on how high the stakes are made for them. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #153

Can't we wait and see what's in Mueller's Report before we make a decision? Those who want to make politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2019 #147

I agree - I was responding... lame54 Apr 2019 #150

Impeachment without conviction is a waste of time Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #3

If congress vote to impeach, The Senate must convene Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #7

What's the time frame? Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #15

Good question- but the question would be in Mitch's court Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #18

Who would shut down the government? Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #40

It's not like the legislative process- if articles of impeachment pass, a trial must be held Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #96

But the Senate has to "adopt an order" letting the House know it's ready to proceed Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #113

We are in a constitutional crisis already Amyishere Apr 2019 #152

the penalty would be at the voting booth and that's something turtle gets Kurt V. Apr 2019 #59

I think he'd put it all on his shoulders to keep the others from having to go on record with a vote Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #70

I've been to Kentucky many times. it is beautiful Kurt V. Apr 2019 #74

Oh, yeah? Like he had to hold a vote on Obama's Supreme Court nominee? n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #36

No, like he had to hold a vote on Trump's emergency declaration. Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #95

And what if McConnell simply refuses pnwmom Apr 2019 #102

This is false, impeachment doesn't mean conviction or removal uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22

Or he may hold a trial, expedite it as much as possible, call a vote.....and the Senate will acquit. WillowTree Apr 2019 #140

They DID NOT say no on this yet. TIMING will be so critical! bluestarone Apr 2019 #4

I'd like to believe that but hugely doubtful. Pelosi didn't even want to impeach bush who with Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #111

Jesus! Cut it out, will ya? NurseJackie Apr 2019 #5

Beating your head isn't going to change this. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #82

It's just an animated gif. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #85

I'm thinking you mean it Kurt V. Apr 2019 #86

Think again. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #87

i always do Kurt V. Apr 2019 #88

Clearly not this time. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #90

how so? btw i can't roll on the floor either without serious encouragement. lol. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #92

Nurse Jackie.. kentuck Apr 2019 #89

They already made the mistake MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #8

Where was the evidence? There was no evidence. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #19

Good grief. Sigh. Hortensis Apr 2019 #9

The candidates should avoid that issue like the plague. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #21

Of course. :) I was just suggesting a nice twist on the Hortensis Apr 2019 #54

You're comfortable. I'm comfortable. Empathy should not be constrained by that. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #73

He can be impeached but will not be found guilty by this Senate. allgood33 Apr 2019 #10

History will show customerserviceguy Apr 2019 #11

I think you mean Andrew Johnson. Lionel Mandrake Apr 2019 #58

We can guess based on the Andrew Johnson impeachment marylandblue Apr 2019 #12

History will show that the House did not perform it's constitutional duty. I was naive all my adult Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #13

Amen McKim Apr 2019 #134

The Senate does not vote for or against impeachment. WillowTree Apr 2019 #141

I'm aware that the Senate's role in impeachment is the actual trial, if you will, where upon Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #163

Ummmm.......no. Again, the Senate does not vote for or against impeachment. WillowTree Apr 2019 #165

Semantics!! I stand corrected LOL. Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #168

Well we'd need evidence first. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #16

There's enough evidence to impeach Trump on emoluments violations ALONE. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24

Then what? Mitch McConnell shrugs his shoulders? gldstwmn Apr 2019 #26

Yes, just that ... then let the voters decide. Abdicating our jobs cause they don't do there's is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27

I'm not ready to take that roll of the dice. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #32

Republicans did and won when they did their jobs. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #33

Different times. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #34

We agree, Red Don is even less popular than Gore was which means dems should do their jobs uponit7771 Apr 2019 #47

Seriously? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #125

Let's see what we learn from the various investigations struggle4progress Apr 2019 #23

Unless the GOP is in agreement, it would be a gigantic gift to Trump for the 2020 election. Vinca Apr 2019 #25

many here agree with this. but - Kurt V. Apr 2019 #63

What an appallingly blind OP. Where do you believe Democrats will get 67 Senators to vote for OnDoutside Apr 2019 #31

Same thing Repubs said before.... kentuck Apr 2019 #38

What evidence do you have to support that assertion ? McCain, who knew he was going to die ? OnDoutside Apr 2019 #42

Thats like....your opinion, man... kentuck Apr 2019 #43

He will die by death by a thousand cuts kimbutgar Apr 2019 #37

Unless something dreadful happens.. kentuck Apr 2019 #39

" he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi . stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #41

Is safeguarding the country worth it? BlueWI Apr 2019 #145

republicans have been stretching the envelope Harker Apr 2019 #44

will history report the GOP should not have aided the moron in chief. pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #46

I would start Impeachment proceedings NNYCDN51 Apr 2019 #49

+1, with those proceedings congress can get GJ info and tax returns while calling the obstruction of uponit7771 Apr 2019 #69

history will show majority of white people supported trump JI7 Apr 2019 #50

It's always easier to look back and see what the right and clear thing is to do. I think History UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #51

No matter what happens, it is ALWAYS all the Dems fault elfin Apr 2019 #53

there is still time but its fading Kurt V. Apr 2019 #56

*******************YES !!! ************************* If they have the evidence and do nothing uponit7771 Apr 2019 #68

YES. I'm so disgusted and disappointed in our "system." ecstatic Apr 2019 #75

There is still time. elleng Apr 2019 #76

Will history record that Democrats helped Trump win a second term by impeaching him? brooklynite Apr 2019 #77

Will history record that Dems helped Trump win by being too timid to prosecute him? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #117

I guess that depends on whether or not voters want Trump impeached (they don't). brooklynite Apr 2019 #120

Having a trial in the Senate is impossible. Historic NY Apr 2019 #78

A couple of points Lithos Apr 2019 #79

It's like riding with a drunk driver... kentuck Apr 2019 #80

I do not agree with that analogy Lithos Apr 2019 #94

Excellent sober analysis. Completely agree with your points. VOX Apr 2019 #115

No. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #99

NO! nt Raine Apr 2019 #101

Impeach Trump if you want 4 more years. Bank it redstateblues Apr 2019 #103

No! at140 Apr 2019 #105

+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2019 #107

Nancy is right redstateblues Apr 2019 #106

Nixon's pardon was a mistake SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #109

Sometimes I wistfully imagine Ford didn't pardon Nixon and what that America would be like. tclambert Apr 2019 #124

Your reasoning is exactly why I said the Nixon pardon was a mistake SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #132

Yes absolutely positively 100%. It is and was already a huge zero savvy mistake!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #110

+1 Joe941 Apr 2019 #119

No..I call for impeachment procedures to happen scardycat Apr 2019 #112

And the prize we win should a Senate miracle happen? Socal31 Apr 2019 #114

History will not be kind to any of us. Dave Starsky Apr 2019 #118

Providing there is a future of course.... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #121

Bingo! kentuck Apr 2019 #123

It's a Constitutional Option....Not a duty. No where in the Constitution is "Duty" stated. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #128

The duty is to the Constitution... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #157

"Do something before it's too late." What would that be? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #167

Senate republicans should be forced ... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #170

Horse dead. Still beating it. matt819 Apr 2019 #127

Or that Republicans made a huge mistake in protecting him at all cost? Zambero Apr 2019 #129

Where is the Party of morality? kentuck Apr 2019 #135

This is not the Nixon Senate homegirl Apr 2019 #137

What I'm hearing around here Bettie Apr 2019 #138

I think the lack of accountability is damaging America beyond repair mountain grammy Apr 2019 #148

No. Fact is, impeachment does nothing without the Senate. Bradical79 Apr 2019 #151

Politically pointless. Win or lose, we lose. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #154

Well, the story isn't over yet... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #160

at this point, it looks like we're just about done with history 0rganism Apr 2019 #169