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166. The 2000 "election" was a stolen election. Clinton did not lose it for Gore.

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:33 AM

Apr 2019

a couple articles of interest:

https://www.gregpalast.com/one-million-black-votes-didnt-count-in-the-2000-presidential-election-rnits-not-too-hard-to-get-your-vote-lost-if-some-politicians-want-it-to-be-lost/

https://www.gregpalast.com/florida-by-the-numbersal-gore-won-florida-in-2000-by-77000-votes/

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Will history record that Democrats made a huge mistake in not impeaching Donald Trump? [View all] kentuck Apr 2019 OP

THE MATH IS NOT THERE... lame54 Apr 2019 #1

There is a clock on that shot and we can't afford to let it run out without an attempt. Runningdawg Apr 2019 #2

BINGO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #48

Damn the math; full speed ahead! delisen Apr 2019 #71

ITS NOT ABOUT MATH ITS ABOUT DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #6

It is SO ABOUT MATH... lame54 Apr 2019 #14

Empower him to do what? Violate the emoluments clause daily on live TV ?! That empowerment?! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #29

Empower him to get re-elected. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #35

That's not what happened with Republicans did such, Bush was elected after Clinton uponit7771 Apr 2019 #45

Clinton was more popular after his failed impeachment than before. pnwmom Apr 2019 #52

Right, republicans won while doing their job of impeaching Clinton. We can do the same and do our uponit7771 Apr 2019 #57

No, it's just very rare to get that third term, and Gore wasn't as personally popular as Clinton. nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #62

I don't see Trump becoming as popular as Clinton if he's impeached for openly violating constitution uponit7771 Apr 2019 #64

It all depends on the evidence that can be uncovered against him, and Pelosi's in the position pnwmom Apr 2019 #66

There's nothing to "uncover" he's violating the emoluments clause as we type with Mira-Logos ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #67

His charity collapsed in illegality Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #155

Clinton was more popular, but people voted against Al Gore because they couldn't vote against Aristus Apr 2019 #61

RIGHT !!! and there'd be few people who'd bet Red Don would become MORE popular after he's impeached uponit7771 Apr 2019 #65

Clinton Lost it for Gore McKim Apr 2019 #133

The 2000 "election" was a stolen election. Clinton did not lose it for Gore. diva77 Apr 2019 #166

Clinton was also more popular than Trump before his impeachment delisen Apr 2019 #72

Thanks to Nader mcar Apr 2019 #84

The midterms after Clinton impeachment were mcar Apr 2019 #83

Again, I'll put good money on it that Trump will never reach Clinton's popularity with democrats uponit7771 Apr 2019 #91

He doesn't care about any law anymore, except perhaps, murder by himself. Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #108

You have raised the alarm!!!! ehrnst Apr 2019 #139

He doesn't care about any law at this point. He's broken so many... Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #142

The constitution makes it very hard to unseat a POTUS. ehrnst Apr 2019 #143

That's an excuse for not doing what must be done against an alleged felon... Lock individual1 up Apr 2019 #144

Yes, exactly. What, enpower him to appoint more Supreme Court Justice(s)? Cage more kids? Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #164

Feel free to post your evidence Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #93

Thanks for your evidence... lame54 Apr 2019 #98

You made the initial assertion, the burden of proof lies with you Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #100

I'm thinking it is impossible at this time... lame54 Apr 2019 #104

Unless the Muller report comes out with the goods and even republicans will get sick about the info Perseus Apr 2019 #131

The people don't want it Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #130

The people didn't favour impeaching Nixon right away Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #136

The tide turned against Nixon Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #146

The evidence is already there for the taking Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #149

And the people are still against impeachment Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #156

I don't consider defending the Constitution useless Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #158

It is useless Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #159

Nice to know you put party before country nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #161

That's uncalled for because that is not what I said Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #162

And we cannot afford to lose the election. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #17

This is false on its face, there's no math for removal but impeachment there is the math uponit7771 Apr 2019 #20

Agreed. Mike Niendorff Apr 2019 #28

+1, his emoluments violations alone are a multiple shot along with insurance fraud. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #30

+1 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #60

His charity collapsed in illegality Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #116

this too !! I'm thinking someone has a list of crap this guy has done illegally that we know of uponit7771 Apr 2019 #122

this is not provable. you have no way if knowing how these senators would vote Kurt V. Apr 2019 #55

The premise is that we impeach now knowing what we know now... lame54 Apr 2019 #97

Thank you mcar Apr 2019 #81

Then have public hearings and reveal the boatload of Trump crimes NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #126

Depends on how high the stakes are made for them. Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #153

Can't we wait and see what's in Mueller's Report before we make a decision? Those who want to make politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2019 #147

I agree - I was responding... lame54 Apr 2019 #150

Impeachment without conviction is a waste of time Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #3

If congress vote to impeach, The Senate must convene Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #7

What's the time frame? Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #15

Good question- but the question would be in Mitch's court Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #18

Who would shut down the government? Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #40

It's not like the legislative process- if articles of impeachment pass, a trial must be held Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #96

But the Senate has to "adopt an order" letting the House know it's ready to proceed Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #113

We are in a constitutional crisis already Amyishere Apr 2019 #152

the penalty would be at the voting booth and that's something turtle gets Kurt V. Apr 2019 #59

I think he'd put it all on his shoulders to keep the others from having to go on record with a vote Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #70

I've been to Kentucky many times. it is beautiful Kurt V. Apr 2019 #74

Oh, yeah? Like he had to hold a vote on Obama's Supreme Court nominee? n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #36

No, like he had to hold a vote on Trump's emergency declaration. Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #95

And what if McConnell simply refuses pnwmom Apr 2019 #102

This is false, impeachment doesn't mean conviction or removal uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22

Or he may hold a trial, expedite it as much as possible, call a vote.....and the Senate will acquit. WillowTree Apr 2019 #140

They DID NOT say no on this yet. TIMING will be so critical! bluestarone Apr 2019 #4

I'd like to believe that but hugely doubtful. Pelosi didn't even want to impeach bush who with Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #111

Jesus! Cut it out, will ya? NurseJackie Apr 2019 #5

Beating your head isn't going to change this. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #82

It's just an animated gif. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #85

I'm thinking you mean it Kurt V. Apr 2019 #86

Think again. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #87

i always do Kurt V. Apr 2019 #88

Clearly not this time. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #90

how so? btw i can't roll on the floor either without serious encouragement. lol. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #92

Nurse Jackie.. kentuck Apr 2019 #89

They already made the mistake MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #8

Where was the evidence? There was no evidence. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #19

Good grief. Sigh. Hortensis Apr 2019 #9

The candidates should avoid that issue like the plague. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #21

Of course. :) I was just suggesting a nice twist on the Hortensis Apr 2019 #54

You're comfortable. I'm comfortable. Empathy should not be constrained by that. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #73

He can be impeached but will not be found guilty by this Senate. allgood33 Apr 2019 #10

History will show customerserviceguy Apr 2019 #11

I think you mean Andrew Johnson. Lionel Mandrake Apr 2019 #58

We can guess based on the Andrew Johnson impeachment marylandblue Apr 2019 #12

History will show that the House did not perform it's constitutional duty. I was naive all my adult Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #13

Amen McKim Apr 2019 #134

The Senate does not vote for or against impeachment. WillowTree Apr 2019 #141

I'm aware that the Senate's role in impeachment is the actual trial, if you will, where upon Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #163

Ummmm.......no. Again, the Senate does not vote for or against impeachment. WillowTree Apr 2019 #165

Semantics!! I stand corrected LOL. Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #168

Well we'd need evidence first. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #16

There's enough evidence to impeach Trump on emoluments violations ALONE. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24

Then what? Mitch McConnell shrugs his shoulders? gldstwmn Apr 2019 #26

Yes, just that ... then let the voters decide. Abdicating our jobs cause they don't do there's is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27

I'm not ready to take that roll of the dice. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #32

Republicans did and won when they did their jobs. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #33

Different times. gldstwmn Apr 2019 #34

We agree, Red Don is even less popular than Gore was which means dems should do their jobs uponit7771 Apr 2019 #47

Seriously? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #125

Let's see what we learn from the various investigations struggle4progress Apr 2019 #23

Unless the GOP is in agreement, it would be a gigantic gift to Trump for the 2020 election. Vinca Apr 2019 #25

many here agree with this. but - Kurt V. Apr 2019 #63

What an appallingly blind OP. Where do you believe Democrats will get 67 Senators to vote for OnDoutside Apr 2019 #31

Same thing Repubs said before.... kentuck Apr 2019 #38

What evidence do you have to support that assertion ? McCain, who knew he was going to die ? OnDoutside Apr 2019 #42

Thats like....your opinion, man... kentuck Apr 2019 #43

He will die by death by a thousand cuts kimbutgar Apr 2019 #37

Unless something dreadful happens.. kentuck Apr 2019 #39

" he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi . stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #41

Is safeguarding the country worth it? BlueWI Apr 2019 #145

republicans have been stretching the envelope Harker Apr 2019 #44

will history report the GOP should not have aided the moron in chief. pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #46

I would start Impeachment proceedings NNYCDN51 Apr 2019 #49

+1, with those proceedings congress can get GJ info and tax returns while calling the obstruction of uponit7771 Apr 2019 #69

history will show majority of white people supported trump JI7 Apr 2019 #50

It's always easier to look back and see what the right and clear thing is to do. I think History UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #51

No matter what happens, it is ALWAYS all the Dems fault elfin Apr 2019 #53

there is still time but its fading Kurt V. Apr 2019 #56

*******************YES !!! ************************* If they have the evidence and do nothing uponit7771 Apr 2019 #68

YES. I'm so disgusted and disappointed in our "system." ecstatic Apr 2019 #75

There is still time. elleng Apr 2019 #76

Will history record that Democrats helped Trump win a second term by impeaching him? brooklynite Apr 2019 #77

Will history record that Dems helped Trump win by being too timid to prosecute him? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #117

I guess that depends on whether or not voters want Trump impeached (they don't). brooklynite Apr 2019 #120

Having a trial in the Senate is impossible. Historic NY Apr 2019 #78

A couple of points Lithos Apr 2019 #79

It's like riding with a drunk driver... kentuck Apr 2019 #80

I do not agree with that analogy Lithos Apr 2019 #94

Excellent sober analysis. Completely agree with your points. VOX Apr 2019 #115

No. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #99

NO! nt Raine Apr 2019 #101

Impeach Trump if you want 4 more years. Bank it redstateblues Apr 2019 #103

No! at140 Apr 2019 #105

+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Apr 2019 #107

Nancy is right redstateblues Apr 2019 #106

Nixon's pardon was a mistake SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #109

Sometimes I wistfully imagine Ford didn't pardon Nixon and what that America would be like. tclambert Apr 2019 #124

Your reasoning is exactly why I said the Nixon pardon was a mistake SCantiGOP Apr 2019 #132

Yes absolutely positively 100%. It is and was already a huge zero savvy mistake!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #110

+1 Joe941 Apr 2019 #119

No..I call for impeachment procedures to happen scardycat Apr 2019 #112

And the prize we win should a Senate miracle happen? Socal31 Apr 2019 #114

History will not be kind to any of us. Dave Starsky Apr 2019 #118

Providing there is a future of course.... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #121

Bingo! kentuck Apr 2019 #123

It's a Constitutional Option....Not a duty. No where in the Constitution is "Duty" stated. AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #128

The duty is to the Constitution... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #157

"Do something before it's too late." What would that be? AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #167

Senate republicans should be forced ... the_sly_pig Apr 2019 #170

Horse dead. Still beating it. matt819 Apr 2019 #127

Or that Republicans made a huge mistake in protecting him at all cost? Zambero Apr 2019 #129

Where is the Party of morality? kentuck Apr 2019 #135

This is not the Nixon Senate homegirl Apr 2019 #137

What I'm hearing around here Bettie Apr 2019 #138

I think the lack of accountability is damaging America beyond repair mountain grammy Apr 2019 #148

No. Fact is, impeachment does nothing without the Senate. Bradical79 Apr 2019 #151

Politically pointless. Win or lose, we lose. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #154

Well, the story isn't over yet... Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #160

at this point, it looks like we're just about done with history 0rganism Apr 2019 #169