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54. Per se, agreed, however, he isn't the only one running in the next election

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:20 AM

Apr 2019

Close Senate races also hinge on turnout and perception during the next 18 months. We'd all like to see him tossed in the nearest dungeon in chains for the rest of his days. No one disputes that. However, there are other considerations to be taken into account. We shouldn't run the danger of not regaining the Senate due to a Trump sympathy vote.

The Republicans had their feel-good moment when they impeached Clinton, too. They boosted his image for life and probably added few ten million to his net worth in heightened speaking fees and book sales in the process. When former president Trump tries to book his first speaking engagement, assuming he is still half-way coherent by then (not a given), I want it to be one where six people turn up and the rest of the tour is subsequently canceled.

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I think if we need to wait for bipartisanship before impeaching [View all] SHRED Apr 2019 OP

Conviction and removal from office requires bipartisanship. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #1

The impeachment process SHRED Apr 2019 #3

I agree with you Shred.... Pachamama Apr 2019 #29

Not sure what would happen after the House votes NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #106

removal from office is not the necessary goal here and now Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #11

Agree, swaying the public opinion by getting the truth out onetexan Apr 2019 #61

+1, lying to congress during impeachment process nets greater consequences than just a slap on hand uponit7771 Apr 2019 #64

+100. Democracy is NOT worthless, and its processes Hortensis Apr 2019 #35

Then don't move for conviction or removal, use impeachment to stop the stone walling & lying uponit7771 Apr 2019 #45

To what end...Speaker Pelosi can count votes. There may not AncientGeezer Apr 2019 #2

Impeachment process negates KGOP stonewalling and ability to lock folk up who lie to congress uponit7771 Apr 2019 #22

No, it doesn't. The SENATE would control the trial. Hortensis Apr 2019 #42

This is false on its face, and we don't have to move to convict or for removal. I don't know uponit7771 Apr 2019 #43

So, impeachment as a shit-kicking exercise? Hortensis Apr 2019 #50

No, just harder for KGOP to stonewall and lie to congress without consequences uponit7771 Apr 2019 #52

Tiny payoff at best, huge costs, but gotcha. Hortensis Apr 2019 #55

I disagree the pay off is tiny, sending these bastards to jail for lying to congress after .... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #57

You're wrong on how the trial is conducted in the Senate. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #108

That's right, thanks for pointing it out. Rehnquist presided. Hortensis Apr 2019 #110

Ambien. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #111

This is why Democrats don't vote, watoos Apr 2019 #4

You've got to fight SHRED Apr 2019 #6

the perception of weakness kills any momentum! Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #13

At this point in time we offer almost no resistance to Trump Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #78

true that Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #89

So what do you think the difference is between Schiff chairing inquiries Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #94

It would probably help to stop announcing things as "failed" before they happen Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #100

Of course there would be enough votes in the House with our majority. Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #5

Yeah, god forbid we have a divided country SHRED Apr 2019 #7

Hurray! well said. nt Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #14

+1000000 Pachamama Apr 2019 #33

+1, 80% of Americans want to see the Full Mueller Report 90% of KGOPs want to hide it uponit7771 Apr 2019 #41

A good rule to follow is to do the right thing. If a president is corrupt, destroys departments Karadeniz Apr 2019 #8

Yep SHRED Apr 2019 #9

Exactly. Unfortunately, too many people are scared about shit that might never happen. mtnsnake Apr 2019 #20

+1, Red Don will never even be as popular with democrats as Clinton was with indies and republicans uponit7771 Apr 2019 #65

"The math" is the end goal, not the requirement for starting impeachment. Nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #10

It's not really known if they have the votes in the House, too loyalsister Apr 2019 #109

So, you'll like to lose the Presidential Election? brooklynite Apr 2019 #12

How many times must we explain "strategy" to you? Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #15

Actually, Brooklynite is right. ehrnst Apr 2019 #17

As many times as access to process to be explained to you ... you've been busy, hmmmmm uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24

As have you. ehrnst Apr 2019 #67

If I'm wrong, so is Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff... brooklynite Apr 2019 #18

Then so be it! n/t mtnsnake Apr 2019 #19

Only Pelosi is adding the requirement of bipartisanship uponit7771 Apr 2019 #26

"Only" Pelosi? Is there more than one Pelosi in the Housr? FBaggins Apr 2019 #66

Of course she's not alone, I don't think she has 100% agreement though and the case uponit7771 Apr 2019 #69

The point is that you're missing the clear implication FBaggins Apr 2019 #71

This is false, we do have the votes to impeach. We don't have the votes to convict and remove ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #82

Journalists, authors , teevee ppl. and yes bloggers (but not anonymous) also say you're wrong. Kurt V. Apr 2019 #36

+1, hinging impeachment off of bipartisanship isn't a reasonable goal when the KGOP has a mouth uponit7771 Apr 2019 #38

Bipartisanship is not possible with the Republican Party Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #112

There's no factual evidence for this. Red Don will never be as popular with democrats as Clinton was uponit7771 Apr 2019 #23

Gore lost RandiFan1290 Apr 2019 #46

+1, the arguments against impeachment are starting sound like BS at this point. Red Don will never uponit7771 Apr 2019 #53

As somebody who knows better, I actually do have some serious questions about impeachment Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #86

Answer: yes brooklynite Apr 2019 #96

So basically a borderline "October Surprise" moment, but nothing mechanical? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #97

Wrong Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #105

Do you know how we "went big" in 2018? brooklynite Apr 2019 #107

Well, if he's not removed, he gets to say "I was completely exonerated from that witch hunt." ehrnst Apr 2019 #16

And THAT reason, above all others, is why Pelosi is right DFW Apr 2019 #25

They'll crow even if Red Don is taken out of the white house like Assange !! When has reality ever uponit7771 Apr 2019 #30

If reality mattered to them, they wouldn't be voting for him in the first place n/t DFW Apr 2019 #37

So, Red Don will crow no matter what ... nothing is going to stop that. Red Don crowing is not uponit7771 Apr 2019 #40

He can't crow that he beat impeachment if he hasn't been impeached. DFW Apr 2019 #47

YES HE CAN !! When has reality ever stopped him !? We're not dealing with a sane person here uponit7771 Apr 2019 #48

Per se, agreed, however, he isn't the only one running in the next election DFW Apr 2019 #54

Red Don will NEVER EVER be as popular with democrats as Clinton was with republicans at that time uponit7771 Apr 2019 #62

Doesn't matter. His fans will not change their minds, and their Senators know it. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #76

Not to mention, it's just not gonna happen. bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #77

LOL ... I'd like to hear a 2020 candidate say this and expect to win the primary. If Red Don broke uponit7771 Apr 2019 #80

I'd love for him to be impeached. Still not gonna happen. bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #84

I still believe in more pressure from the people more better. Again, the first candidate that relays uponit7771 Apr 2019 #85

With Moore having a great poll, Jones has a tenuous path to reelection in Alabama Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #88

We can impeach and not convict or remove to get the KGOP to stop stonewalling. That's the point uponit7771 Apr 2019 #91

When it's more productive than simple Congressional inquiries. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #92

His fans are irrelevant and always have been uponit7771 Apr 2019 #79

They are relevant to what the GOP Senate majority will and will not do. ehrnst Apr 2019 #95

He gets to say that even if he's dragged out of office like Assange, facts have never mattered to... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27

Frankly, trump will always continue his gaslighting by saying "I was completely exonerated from Nevermypresident Apr 2019 #75

I don't have any Democratic Senators or a Congressman. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #93

Democrats shouldn't worry about impeachment dividing the country Poiuyt Apr 2019 #21

We're not at all worried about that. DFW Apr 2019 #28

He's already got that ammunition now. We can impeach and not convict or move for removal the point uponit7771 Apr 2019 #32

+100000 Pachamama Apr 2019 #39

Yep, to mitigate the stonewalling is worth impeachment in and of itself. Democrats would have to ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #44

The Russians are even more emboldened now than ever..... Pachamama Apr 2019 #56

+1, and Russia is infesting the KGOP with tons of cash. There's no reason to believe they're uponit7771 Apr 2019 #59

I agree that it is time to start the impeachment process mnhtnbb Apr 2019 #31

Same here, those against impeachment aren't giving reasoning based on good logic and some are uponit7771 Apr 2019 #34

If they lie or stonewall during the impeachment process with the current "Justice" Department DFW Apr 2019 #49

Impeach Barr too, then vote to convict Barr for OoJ but don't move for removal. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #51

Agree, time to start the impeachment process. DLevine Apr 2019 #58

Depends on the goal... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #60

Trump will make up a win even if he's dragged out of office like Assange. Red Don is not sane uponit7771 Apr 2019 #63

The real reason is that an impeachment vote would probably fail and leave Trump emboldened. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #68

Red Don says he's fully exonerated now so he's already emboldened. We're not talking about ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #70

I would say the problem isn't his response, but the public perception. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #73

Then don't move to convict, that simple. The point of impeachment is to reduce the OoJ & stonewallin uponit7771 Apr 2019 #81

Imo, it would be decried as a political stunt, then. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #87

Impeachment is used to stop the stonewalling not get Red Don removed and dems can make that clear uponit7771 Apr 2019 #90

Problem is, if you do that and then find nothing, it would be awful for the Democrats. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #98

How would it be awful ? Thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2019 #99

Because it will look like we went in fishing for evidence and found nothing. Oneironaut Apr 2019 #102

Right now Trump is claiming that he is exonorated, watoos Apr 2019 #72

THIS !! The case against impeachment is falling apart once people know the facts. Red Don will never uponit7771 Apr 2019 #83

If the Repubs cannot find the "bi-partisanship" to help release the Mueller Report? kentuck Apr 2019 #74

agree EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #101

Recommended. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #103

I agree. Democrats should stand up for the rule of law and the Constitition. KPN Apr 2019 #104