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lagomorph777

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27. Oh nice. It's neither.

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:09 PM

Apr 2019

Nice try though.

I am pro-vaccine and I get my flu shot annually. I also keep my pets up to date on vaccines and titers. If I had kids I'd do the same.

If what I got this year was 25% protection, yeah, another 25% of sickness probably would have been fatal.

So put down the weapon there.

Also, pretending that all vaccines are 100% effective won't help bolster credibility for sensible vaccination programs. Better to honestly explain the factors that help or hinder effectiveness in the population. Such as herd immunity. And such as (in real life) flu mutating too fast to build every strain in, every year. I have always heard the problem with flu vaccine specifically, as the high rate of mutation. Not partial effectiveness despite accurately hitting the strains.

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I was an antivaxer, nineteen years ago. [View all] Dream Girl Apr 2019 OP

Do you believe that the vaccine caused that child's autism? Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #1

I honestly don't know and I'm aware of the coincidental timing. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #6

Well, there are plenty of peer-reviewed scientific studies Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #13

My son was born in early 2000 so that was Wakefield study must have been in the ether Dream Girl Apr 2019 #16

19 years ago we knew a lot less than we do now..... Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #17

Yeah, I don't blame her, even as I believe the decision she made was sketchy. Blue_true Apr 2019 #64

"I was just not willing to take that risk with my child" -- THERE WAS AN DIS NO RISK obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #74

there are a few handmade34 Apr 2019 #2

That makes sense. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #8

Of course it does. It's science. The best knowledge we have available. Aristus Apr 2019 #19

You're sooo much more kind than I. snort Apr 2019 #41

You do realize this is completely illogical. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #56

The drug manufacturers themselves admitted that the vaccine was Aristus Apr 2019 #59

That is not what you said. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #72

I know that when my twin sons were babies Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #62

I was specifically addressing the comment that "if it's offered, that means it's safe." Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #71

I was agreeing with you in a roundabout way. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #81

Thanks. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #82

Agree on that. Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #84

If an anti-vaxxer doesn't like being 'demonized', that's just too damn bad. Aristus Apr 2019 #88

The problem is that people on DU demonize everyone Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #92

It's the way intelligent, informed people practice medicine. Aristus Apr 2019 #99

This is a discussion board, Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #102

If by 'this is a discussion board', you mean: 'both sides need to be equally represented', then no. Aristus Apr 2019 #104

Thank you for proving my point. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #112

There are nuances and there is a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by Health & Human Services womanofthehills Apr 2019 #93

Yup. Ms. Toad Apr 2019 #95

"sometimes kids get autism" StarryNite Apr 2019 #86

Not vaccines. Aristus Apr 2019 #87

Did the incidence really change Codeine Apr 2019 #90

Yup jberryhill Apr 2019 #100

Kids who are vaccinated aren't endangered by kids who are not vaccinated. marybourg Apr 2019 #3

Not entirely accurate. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #15

You were exposed to a strain the flu vaccine doesn't cover most likely.... Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #20

For that reason, flu is probably a crappy example. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #23

Please don't ever say that again. At least not here. Aristus Apr 2019 #29

There is some information that the 1918 Spanish Flu Blue_true Apr 2019 #65

Okay, whoa. Back up. I didn't say don't wash your hands. Aristus Apr 2019 #68

Okay, thanks. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #85

People who have allergies need to check out the different flu shots offered by different companies womanofthehills Apr 2019 #96

Exactly. There are people out there who have a genuine allergy to the vaccine or its components. Aristus Apr 2019 #98

I'm calling Bullshit! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #57

Washing hands and wearing mouth/nose masks improves one's chances. Blue_true Apr 2019 #66

Yeah, you are 100% wrong -- show the evidence obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #75

It didn't fail. You're still alive. Aristus Apr 2019 #25

Oh nice. It's neither. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #27

I'm sorry. I have to do this every few months with people who either hadn't got the word Aristus Apr 2019 #32

It's not your duty to alienate your allies. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #34

If what someone says convinces someone else to forego their vaccines, that person is not Aristus Apr 2019 #37

You somehow interpreted my original post and got the opposite of the intended meaning from it. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #40

If the choice is to allow irrational belief systems placing others at harm LanternWaste Apr 2019 #39

What a rathole we've gone down. You guys, in your minds, have decided that an argument for lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #42

Good Luck RobinA Apr 2019 #94

Or in this case, taking somebody who agrees with them, and bludgeoning them anyway. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #103

I sometimes go walking in our local cemetery. redwitch Apr 2019 #28

Thank you. Aristus Apr 2019 #33

Years ago I was involved in the restoration of a Pioneer Cemetery. snort Apr 2019 #43

WWI and the flu pandemic back to back. redwitch Apr 2019 #50

One of the vectors for the spread of the flu overseas was American Aristus Apr 2019 #54

Right, but I wasn't writing a treatise, just marybourg Apr 2019 #46

Some of the vaccinated kids are endangered. Mariana Apr 2019 #38

Right, but I wasn't writing a treatise. marybourg Apr 2019 #45

You wrote a false statement. Mariana Apr 2019 #47

Really? ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #4

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #18

if they're blaming MMR for their autism issues nini Apr 2019 #26

+1 obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #76

Many parents are thinking of themselves when they buy into the vaccine-autism connection loyalsister Apr 2019 #31

I adore my grandson ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #48

I understand that parents are faced with something that is more complicated than expected loyalsister Apr 2019 #51

That's beautiful mcar Apr 2019 #53

As to your last questions: Cal Carpenter Apr 2019 #5

Thank you. This is very informative. I posted it on FB in case there are anti-vaxers among MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #101

Here are a few related articles. CentralMass Apr 2019 #7

Why would we worry about children who aren't vaccinated? Are you serious? Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #9

I wasn't aware that there were kids who were unvaccinated not by choice. Dream Girl Apr 2019 #24

I certainly don't mean to be snippy, but when you make such a serious medical decision, Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #30

No, you apparently think vaccines work 100% of the time Mariana Apr 2019 #49

Okay. That's it. Time out. I'm going to stand with my medical colleague Aristus Apr 2019 #55

Sorry, some people DO say, or imply, that vaccines work 100% of the time. Mariana Apr 2019 #80

And infants, and people having chemo, etc. obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #77

It's a nonissue for me now as I won't be raising any babies. Being African American,lets just say I Dream Girl Apr 2019 #10

It's not an "non-issue" for me because I'm a nurse I get exposed to this shit. ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #14

It was a nurse who convinced me to have my son vaccinated against pertussis Dream Girl Apr 2019 #22

. ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #35

I give you lots of credit nini Apr 2019 #58

Some people think that providing accurate information in a civil manner Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #61

lulz obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #79

One problem - the pharma companies who make vaccines are required to send safety studies to Congress womanofthehills Apr 2019 #105

Do you have a non-whackadoo cite for this? nt Codeine Apr 2019 #111

Here is a doc filed in Southern District of NY womanofthehills Apr 2019 #113

Thank you. That's definitely a whackadoo group Codeine Apr 2019 #114

Herd immunity janterry Apr 2019 #11

+1 grantcart Apr 2019 #97

Because some people *CAN'T* get vaccinated and there is a minimum threshold for herd immunity. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #12

There are younger children, infants, in day care that have only had the beginning rounds of shots. ReformedGOPer Apr 2019 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author ReformedGOPer Apr 2019 #110

Your story reminds me of the little boy across the street Goodheart Apr 2019 #21

As the mother of a mildly autistic son, PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #36

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #44

i love cemeteries. lots of dead kids before vaccines. can polio come back now??? pansypoo53219 Apr 2019 #52

Ah, yes. Polio. Dave Starsky Apr 2019 #70

Pretty clear to me, reading this OP and some of your responses. GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #60

Was. Iggo Apr 2019 #63

I knew a girl who had mumps encephalitis. My sibs and I were utterly miserable with mumps.... Hekate Apr 2019 #67

It fucking matters! KitSileya Apr 2019 #69

Vaccines did not cause that kid's autism, and educate yourself about herd immunity obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #73

Jesus jberryhill Apr 2019 #78

So as an anti-vaccer which vaccines did you boycott for yourself? Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #83

Through your foot?! Codeine Apr 2019 #91

Yeah, it was awful. It took over a year before I could walk normally again Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #107

The Vaccine Book StarryNite Apr 2019 #89

Sears' medical license has been revoked, and he also has no experience obamanut2012 Apr 2019 #106

The simple answer to your question is that vaccines are not 100% foolproof Downtown Hound Apr 2019 #109