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In reply to the discussion: I was an antivaxer, nineteen years ago. [View all]KitSileya
(4,035 posts)69. It fucking matters!
I dont know if I would make the same decision today, antivaxers are so reviled...but I might. What I dont get is if your kid is vaccinated, how are they endangered by kids who arent vaccinated? Isnt the point of getting them vaccinated to protect them from contagion? So why does it matter.
It matters for all those who could not get vaccinated due on medical grounds, such a close family member of mine who had a severe allergic reaction to his first vaccine, the MMR. He couldn't get any of the others, but thank God he got the measles as a child (it was a mild case, as he had gotten the first dose of it), not to mention he got the mumps too. If he had gotten the mumps as an adult, he could become sterile. Had he been a girl - well, she might be very unlucky and get german measles during pregnancy, which nearly always leaves the child with a disability, if it survives at all.
It matters for those who are immuno-compromised, such as another close family member who's getting chemotherapy these days. It doesn't matter that she's had all of her vaccines, as at times she has nearly no immune system to speak of. Right now she has to be careful because some contemptible anti-vaxxer traveled while infected with the measles in her town - on a plane (all the passengers had to be tracked down to be checked out), on a train (ditto), and then went to the emergency room. The measles virus can survive for up to two hours when coughed into the air, so you do not even have to be in the same room at the same time as patient zero to be infected. More people are immuno-compromised than you think - the very young, the elderly, many being treated for cancer, heck, even people with Crohn's disease are immuno-compromised.
It matters to those who are too young to be vaccinated. There's a baby boom among my colleagues rght now - four babies born in the last 5 months, and several more expected in the next half year. All these babies won't get their vaccinations at birth, you know, they're spread out and some vaccinations are done twice, like the aforementioned MMR.
For some people the vaccines just don't work. They don't know why, but a small handful never develop the immunity, no matter how often they get a particular vaccine. Those affected by this seldom know it, but unbeknownst to them, they are fully at the mercy of those around them getting their vaccines and protecting them that way. The only way you would know is if you get the disease despite being vaccinated, by which time it's too fucking late, or if you titre to check if a vaccine 'took'. How many of us get titres to check our vaccines? Not many. In other words, you could be unprotected. Your beloved child could be unprotected. As we speak, you could be like the groups above, reliant on everyone else not being fucking numbnuts when it comes to vaccines, hoping against hope that the parents around you don't think that having a child on the autism specter is worse than a dead child, willing to sacrifice other people's babies, grandparents, cancer-ridden siblings in order to magically make sure that their child doesn't get autism.
Yes, it fucking matters!
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My son was born in early 2000 so that was Wakefield study must have been in the ether
Dream Girl
Apr 2019
#16
Yeah, I don't blame her, even as I believe the decision she made was sketchy.
Blue_true
Apr 2019
#64
"I was just not willing to take that risk with my child" -- THERE WAS AN DIS NO RISK
obamanut2012
Apr 2019
#74
I was specifically addressing the comment that "if it's offered, that means it's safe."
Ms. Toad
Apr 2019
#71
If by 'this is a discussion board', you mean: 'both sides need to be equally represented', then no.
Aristus
Apr 2019
#104
There are nuances and there is a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by Health & Human Services
womanofthehills
Apr 2019
#93
You were exposed to a strain the flu vaccine doesn't cover most likely....
Chakaconcarne
Apr 2019
#20
People who have allergies need to check out the different flu shots offered by different companies
womanofthehills
Apr 2019
#96
Exactly. There are people out there who have a genuine allergy to the vaccine or its components.
Aristus
Apr 2019
#98
I'm sorry. I have to do this every few months with people who either hadn't got the word
Aristus
Apr 2019
#32
If what someone says convinces someone else to forego their vaccines, that person is not
Aristus
Apr 2019
#37
You somehow interpreted my original post and got the opposite of the intended meaning from it.
lagomorph777
Apr 2019
#40
If the choice is to allow irrational belief systems placing others at harm
LanternWaste
Apr 2019
#39
What a rathole we've gone down. You guys, in your minds, have decided that an argument for
lagomorph777
Apr 2019
#42
Or in this case, taking somebody who agrees with them, and bludgeoning them anyway.
lagomorph777
Apr 2019
#103
Many parents are thinking of themselves when they buy into the vaccine-autism connection
loyalsister
Apr 2019
#31
I understand that parents are faced with something that is more complicated than expected
loyalsister
Apr 2019
#51
Thank you. This is very informative. I posted it on FB in case there are anti-vaxers among
MaryMagdaline
Apr 2019
#101
I certainly don't mean to be snippy, but when you make such a serious medical decision,
Cousin Dupree
Apr 2019
#30
It's a nonissue for me now as I won't be raising any babies. Being African American,lets just say I
Dream Girl
Apr 2019
#10
It's not an "non-issue" for me because I'm a nurse I get exposed to this shit.
ismnotwasm
Apr 2019
#14
One problem - the pharma companies who make vaccines are required to send safety studies to Congress
womanofthehills
Apr 2019
#105
Because some people *CAN'T* get vaccinated and there is a minimum threshold for herd immunity.
Act_of_Reparation
Apr 2019
#12
There are younger children, infants, in day care that have only had the beginning rounds of shots.
ReformedGOPer
Apr 2019
#108
i love cemeteries. lots of dead kids before vaccines. can polio come back now???
pansypoo53219
Apr 2019
#52
I knew a girl who had mumps encephalitis. My sibs and I were utterly miserable with mumps....
Hekate
Apr 2019
#67
Vaccines did not cause that kid's autism, and educate yourself about herd immunity
obamanut2012
Apr 2019
#73
Yeah, it was awful. It took over a year before I could walk normally again
Farmer-Rick
Apr 2019
#107
The simple answer to your question is that vaccines are not 100% foolproof
Downtown Hound
Apr 2019
#109