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Awsi Dooger

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61. Other than Pennsylvania, we did not view those as battleground states
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:27 PM
Apr 2019

That was the stupidity. I'm not going to accept an evil explanation when the more likely one was negligence. Those states may have Democratic recent history but they also have 85-91% whites in the electorate. That made them extremely vulnerable to the promise-anything crap that Trump was peddling regarding jobs returning to various declining industries.

I've mentioned many times that those states are right on the bubble of the national number regarding self-identified liberals and conservatives. The nation had 9% more conservatives than liberals in 2016. Those 4 states each had between a 6-9% gap. Sorry, but that makes them legitimate battleground states. They are not like California or New York with tons of margin for error due to more liberals than conservatives. Once a state is in that range nearby the national ideology then it is incredibly fragile and can shift several points based on national mood of the moment, or candidate vs. candidate.

The Russian propaganda was everywhere and influencing those scared non-college educated whites who have been shifting away from us anyway. Once there is an established trend then the bottom line can be far beyond the projection. That's what happened in 2016. We knew the so-called working class vote was a problem but we idiotically relied on prior guidelines and assumed it couldn't shift too far too fast, especially in friendly states.

Yes, it could. Once Florida election expert Steve Schale paused on election night 2016 and had a very lengthy gap between twitter posts, I knew something was very wrong. Once he finally returned and reported that Trump was pulling unprecedented numbers in 47 different Florida counties -- all the rural counties -- I knew that this dynamic would attach everywhere, and that the unthinkable had become a certainty.

We gave away 2016. If we continue to view it as theft we'll give away subsequent elections than should be won via competent messaging. I have no idea why we don't have an ongoing media campaign right now designed to keep down Trump's poll numbers. Just a one minute segment, like Keith Olberman's "Worst Person in the World" type of thing. Something anticipated every night. Heck, Tom Steyer could fund it and be the host. Detail the latest Trump atrocity, or something that Republicans are doing to damage the typical American.

If we wait until fall 2020 nothing good will happen.

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and Minnesota NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #1
Fair Point! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #2
Since I live in rural Minnesota I was sweating bullets during the election in 2016. pazzyanne Apr 2019 #26
Russian tampering SMoss Apr 2019 #46
"we miscalculated. oops. We'll do better in 2020." CharleyDog Apr 2019 #58
Facebook was awful in 2016 TheRealNorth Apr 2019 #64
While here in Minnesota, we had a Democratic Secretary of State. Mister Ed Apr 2019 #3
I will push the envelope GusBob Apr 2019 #4
Fair Point.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #10
Hacked? zipplewrath Apr 2019 #19
There are some posters here who believe Russia hacked the voting machines and changed the votes bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #29
Can either one of you READ.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #48
I did read it. bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #60
Where is the word "Influenced" used.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #65
I must have missed the part in the report stating that voting machines were hacked & votes flipped MichMan Apr 2019 #74
Read the whole page zipplewrath Apr 2019 #75
I'm one of those who have no doubt they did just that. dflprincess Apr 2019 #76
Don't blame me. I wasn't fooled by russkie manipulation meow2u3 Apr 2019 #12
Black voters were also conned into not voting in Michigan n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #39
I think that goes way too far. Demit Apr 2019 #17
Barr stated today GusBob Apr 2019 #18
Barr lied. That's not what Mueller says. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #21
You believe Barr? Knowing that he lied in his summary to protect Trump? Autumn Apr 2019 #33
Are you referring to John Podesta? MichMan Apr 2019 #59
So nice that you support states that are fighting against tRump and his cabal. pazzyanne Apr 2019 #30
We dems are aware, and the corruption continues Tech Apr 2019 #5
Ensure those states have different/new i/p addresses for their servers Rene Apr 2019 #6
The Russians manipulated the election results with hacking. triron Apr 2019 #7
BINGO!!!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #11
Pennsylvania had a Democratic governor and Sec. of State in 2016 meow2u3 Apr 2019 #8
Correction Noted.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #13
K&R MelissaB Apr 2019 #9
Yes Pennsylvania had unexplained anomalies in 2016 FakeNoose Apr 2019 #14
Pennsylvania had a Democratic Governor and Sec of State in 2016 Trenzalore Apr 2019 #15
Thank You!! LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #16
Huh. And Trump just so happened to win 3 of those 4 states. coti Apr 2019 #20
There are a lot of racist rednecks here in rural Wisconsin who bought into Trump's BS. CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #44
SLOW THE Road... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #49
No. Your state got an unfortunate reputation from a couple of idiots a quarter century ago. CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #70
We use Paper Ballots here.... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #22
Yep, I've only seen paper ballots here in MN for as long as I remember voting. geardaddy Apr 2019 #56
Pa here, watoos Apr 2019 #23
Agree! mountain grammy Apr 2019 #42
NO NO NO !!! The Russians just wanted that data so they can "look around" and do nothing !!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #24
As innocent as two Russian agents on vacation in Salisbury coti Apr 2019 #32
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #35
I have said this from day one. llmart Apr 2019 #25
Votes were fucked with, period. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #27
I live in rural WI. I always vote using a paper ballot for audit purposes. 33taw Apr 2019 #28
Machines in Wisky are definitely rigged. watoos Apr 2019 #31
Brown and Outagamie County are really bad. Dems need to push people to vote with paper ballots. 33taw Apr 2019 #71
At least we have a Dem SOS and Governor now. 33taw Apr 2019 #72
T. took last minute campaign swings there too, once he knew the fix was in Maine-i-acs Apr 2019 #34
Wisconsin's Secretary of State was (and is) Doug LaFollette, a Democrat cp Apr 2019 #36
I guess they figured there were enough idiots in Ohio that they didn't need to get involved inwiththenew Apr 2019 #37
Ohio had that big voting roll purge. Ohiogal Apr 2019 #45
I'm in Pennsylvania DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #38
How to we know.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #51
Served on an election board DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #66
Served on a Election Board... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #67
It's not worth explaining in some cases. bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #73
I've lived in Wisconsin for 53 years... people here are really fucking stupid! Still In Wisconsin Apr 2019 #40
They probably got intel from Reince Priebus--the link between Walker and Trump. CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #47
Minnesota also has paper ballots and, more importantly, same day registration. dflprincess Apr 2019 #41
A2, we must stand with the midwest saidsimplesimon Apr 2019 #43
Agreed... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #52
no one ever checked the vote totals.. stillcool Apr 2019 #50
Oh, I KNOW that Michigan was stolen. The exit polls & "official" results were too far out of whack. catbyte Apr 2019 #53
Yep.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #57
Michigan Resident tiredtoo Apr 2019 #54
Most Definitely.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #55
Other than Pennsylvania, we did not view those as battleground states Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #61
Good analysis about Florida exboyfil Apr 2019 #63
Democrats lost seats steadily from 2010 onward-they were delisen Apr 2019 #68
The Des Moines Register poll had Trump by 7 percent exboyfil Apr 2019 #62
THIS is why Mueller threw the book at Manafort. ZillyZap Apr 2019 #69
There's a state missing out of that and it's Florida rockfordfile Apr 2019 #77
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