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angrychair

(12,545 posts)
74. Ok
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 10:00 PM
Apr 2019

First off, to be clear, we are probably not going to agree on this and that is fine. At the end of the day we are on the same side and want Dems to win and trump to lose.

We can disagree without being disagreeable. If I've come across snarky or short I sincerely apologize. We can debate policy and candidates but on election day we need a united front across the board.

That said, the premise that its pointless to impeach because it can't get past the Senate is just as applicable to the position of why waste time passing bills in the House to just go and die in the Senate without even a vote? It's just as pointless as the impeachment argument.

House dems can do absolutely nothing for healthcare or jobs or education or the environment. Nothing. Because McTurtle is not going to even let it come to a vote.

Trump sure as hell isnt going to sign it into law.

We do it though. We have passed some amazing legislation out of the House only to die in the Senate. Why? To show that we are at least putting forth that effort and that the issue isn't us but the Republicans in the Senate.

That is no less true with impeachment. There is legitimately more than enough to get an impeachment in the House.
On paper at least, there is more than enough to get a conviction in the Senate.
That it might fail, like all the legislation we've sent to the Senate, is on Republicans, not Democrats.

I have faith that voters, at last enough of them, are smart enough to realize that.

To do nothing sends a message we don't want our name on: trump can do anything he wants and we are good with it.
The one thing American voters dislike more than anything else is weak and feckless politicians.

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Kill Me. spanone Apr 2019 #1
NOW! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2019 #8
...and the capitulation is complete. regnaD kciN Apr 2019 #30
Still keepin' their powder dry!!! Nay Apr 2019 #91
Sensible leadership brooklynite Apr 2019 #2
Soooo angrychair Apr 2019 #5
Accountability should be a November 2020 blowout. ZillyZap Apr 2019 #11
Accountability should be a November 2020 blowout. LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #24
+1 myohmy2 Apr 2019 #93
Got you angrychair Apr 2019 #55
Would President Pence or VP Haley rush down to the border to release them? ZillyZap Apr 2019 #57
Absolutely not the point angrychair Apr 2019 #62
I'm for Trump not winning another term... brooklynite Apr 2019 #16
I'd take either outcome maxsolomon Apr 2019 #23
Agreed. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #28
you are missing the forest for the trees rufus dog Apr 2019 #67
Nope, I'm not. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #68
Yes you are rufus dog Apr 2019 #71
Maybe if you used a bit more profanity...... calguy Apr 2019 #78
Ok angrychair Apr 2019 #63
Here's my assumption: brooklynite Apr 2019 #70
Ok angrychair Apr 2019 #74
I disagree with your comment that there would be no point passing bills... brooklynite Apr 2019 #87
All due respect angrychair Apr 2019 #88
Another reference to the outside world angrychair Apr 2019 #90
As a follow up angrychair Apr 2019 #80
+1 Celerity Apr 2019 #65
1% would rather have their tax cuts. nt RandiFan1290 Apr 2019 #92
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #17
My hubris? brooklynite Apr 2019 #25
How was that reply hubristic? TwilightZone Apr 2019 #31
Agreed Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #39
It will become inevitable. Schiff not Hoyer is the delisen Apr 2019 #3
Adam Schiff: Pelosi "absolutely right" on Impeachment brooklynite Apr 2019 #27
No contradiction between what I wrote & 3/12 delisen Apr 2019 #54
You are seriously wrong Hoyer. irisblue Apr 2019 #4
Hoyer is logically wrong here: the Russians are going to back thier whore again uponit7771 Apr 2019 #6
Sounds like hoyer needs a primary opponent Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #7
He could'nt care less if he was done tomorrow. He's been there too long and is looking mighty lazy Chin music Apr 2019 #76
Sounds like nancy doesnt share his defeatism Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #82
Why is he saying this now? SHRED Apr 2019 #9
"Let's spot them a few more points" Ponietz Apr 2019 #10
Question: how many candidates in the "blue wave" advocated Impeachment? brooklynite Apr 2019 #19
Hi again--I don't know the answer to your question, but Ponietz Apr 2019 #34
As a matter of fact, my wife and I had a private dinner with him last Spring. brooklynite Apr 2019 #72
good luck with that hereon Ponietz Apr 2019 #73
What is that belief based on? brooklynite Apr 2019 #79
2018 had the highest midterm voter turnout since before WW1 Ponietz Apr 2019 #84
So in other words.... awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #12
Of course it's up to us to help Dems get elected. bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #36
Of course...but You missed the point. nt awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #44
They have had all this time to formulate gldstwmn Apr 2019 #60
Apparently, doing your jobs as lawmakers and stopping a corrupt president is optional. BlueStater Apr 2019 #13
That's not true FBaggins Apr 2019 #49
And for the next 18 months, 45 will do/say whatever he wants, as democracy burns down to a cinder. VOX Apr 2019 #14
And I trust the 2020 elections to be fair because ... Johonny Apr 2019 #15
At least as fair as the 2018 election..... brooklynite Apr 2019 #21
And we kicked ass in 2018 n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #40
clueless.. stillcool Apr 2019 #18
Do people ever contact their representatives? CrispyQ Apr 2019 #81
... CentralMass Apr 2019 #20
If the House Impeached Trump & the Senate Did Not Convict, How Vengeful Would Trump Be Then? dlk Apr 2019 #22
"He'd get worse" is not a legitimate rationale. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #26
We can disagree... dlk Apr 2019 #48
He has a finger on the nuclear button. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #83
If you think for a minute durablend Apr 2019 #32
You Misunderstood My Post dlk Apr 2019 #50
he could kill us all in 18 months!! samnsara Apr 2019 #29
Pence isn't much better TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #38
If the House can impeach and spell everything out, Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #33
Hoyer needs to be primaried. He is unfit. triron Apr 2019 #35
Fuck this shit... GReedDiamond Apr 2019 #37
Agree nt Quixote1818 Apr 2019 #69
Who do we have on our bench to primary Hoyer? LonePirate Apr 2019 #41
Going to be very hard to primary any incumbent, the DCCC has a blacklist now Celerity Apr 2019 #66
Guess I'll just sit out the next election then Takket Apr 2019 #42
Then why are you even here wasting your time on a political discussion board? Tipperary Apr 2019 #64
But that Ihan Omar though. We'll act with the quickness. n/t Yavin4 Apr 2019 #43
So pissed I gave so much time last year. Chin music Apr 2019 #45
I hope people realize that the subtext this sends... regnaD kciN Apr 2019 #46
Time to remind Mr Hoyer flotsam Apr 2019 #47
Wtf? Sunsky Apr 2019 #51
I think they should go forward with the impeachment investigation CanonRay Apr 2019 #52
Seems Mr. Hoyer Is Missing the Point Here.... The_Counsel Apr 2019 #53
The only thing I can think of gldstwmn Apr 2019 #56
Is this why I'm so excited to get NEW AND FRESH LEADERSHIP in the Democratic Party?? a kennedy Apr 2019 #58
This is how the nihilists win BeyondGeography Apr 2019 #59
This makes me so sad for our country. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #61
Premature. moondust Apr 2019 #75
I feel like if we don't impeach marlakay Apr 2019 #77
If Rump wins re-election and the Rethugs hold the Senate, say hello maybe to a 8-1 HARD con SCOTUS Celerity Apr 2019 #86
It is in fact Timewas Apr 2019 #85
Well f-u too, asshole! ecstatic Apr 2019 #89
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