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45. The difference is what can come from those hearings versus from impeachment proceedings.

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:42 AM

Apr 2019

Yes, committee hearings can get the information out to the public, but they provide much less opportunity for the government to actually uphold the rule of law itself like it is supposed to, because we can't trust the DOJ to act properly upon any referrals the committees might make.

Everyone knows that, which means that regular oversight hearings carry much less weight than impeachment hearings, and that in turn likely means that they will be much less successful at getting the facts before as broad a swath of the population as needs to happen.

Getting the info out there for the election is not actually all we want.
We also want our government to uphold the law in between elections, and right now the House is the only body of government that is both willing and empowered to do so.

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To those who say that impeachment is not necessary because the voters can decide in 2020 [View all] Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 OP

It's about the voters overall wanting it... cynatnite Apr 2019 #1

"Impeachment" proceedings needs to be reframed. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #3

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #6

re: "it's about giving the public the best information possible" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #23

Exactly! Andy823 Apr 2019 #65

+1 Exactly. forgotmylogin Apr 2019 #40

I'm not arguing that... cynatnite Apr 2019 #46

defeatism is an option, but not a proactive one. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #74

defeatism is acceptance without a struggle... cynatnite Apr 2019 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Apr 2019 #54

I have to agree. badhair77 Apr 2019 #5

They need to be re-programmed Generic Other Apr 2019 #12

I hope the Dem war room can come up with an effective way to counter this line of thinking. badhair77 Apr 2019 #24

To not impeach offers far more harm than good regards 2020. PufPuf23 Apr 2019 #34

If the senate does not remove Trump following impeachment, TryLogic Apr 2019 #61

I didn't see MSNBC but I did see the front headline of my local newspaper. "Report shows trickyguy Apr 2019 #114

How can we vote him out if the russians angstlessk Apr 2019 #2

Well, we know they're targeting our election counties. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #4

absolutely... myohmy2 Apr 2019 #7

Some guy on MSNBC hit it out of the ballpark on that issue of foreign intervention. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #10

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #87

We do allow foreigners to come to our country and vote in our elections. hughee99 Apr 2019 #108

That would be great, assuming we had the power to make that happen, but we don't yet. better Apr 2019 #11

Thank you for this important response, how would a backlash angstlessk Apr 2019 #14

You bring up a good point. If handled properly, impeachment proceedings is free advertisement Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #18

That's true, but by far the less important thing, imo. better Apr 2019 #41

+1 Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #73

Place holder uponit7771 Apr 2019 #86

Vote??? Traildogbob Apr 2019 #47

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #85

You assume"information" is what moves people at the ballot box zaj Apr 2019 #8

BINGO! The_Counsel Apr 2019 #9

God damn it! Hoyer said yesterday we should let the voters decide in 18 months... DontBooVote Apr 2019 #13

The Mueller report has done this: tiredtoo Apr 2019 #15

All we have seen from the Mueller report is Barr's spin. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #19

And some Democrats are going to get so damn sick of doing nothing and losing that they give up too.. PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #16

Thank you! hedda_foil Apr 2019 #21

Bringing knives to a gun fight... HopeAgain Apr 2019 #32

You don't need impeachment to hold hearings.... louis c Apr 2019 #17

The difference is what can come from those hearings versus from impeachment proceedings. better Apr 2019 #45

Call me when you think there is an even chance to get 67 Senators to remove Trump... louis c Apr 2019 #50

Removal from office is not the only outcome of significance from impeachment proceedings. better Apr 2019 #67

Oh, louis c Apr 2019 #94

DJT's successors marieo1 Apr 2019 #20

If the tables were turned the fascists would shut everything down, including the government, to yaesu Apr 2019 #22

Ya, that worked out well for them last time. louis c Apr 2019 #64

Not doing anything will guarantee 4 more years of Trump. nt yaesu Apr 2019 #72

Who said not to do anything? louis c Apr 2019 #92

i fear Locrian Apr 2019 #25

"perceived business as usual / the powerful always get away with it" FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #79

yep - and the end result is the state we're in now - n/t Locrian Apr 2019 #80

We need to win the White House in 2020. NOTHING is more important than that. CaptainTruth Apr 2019 #26

Fear based defeatism not based on facts in evidence. Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #29

And in addition to the points of the previous response... better Apr 2019 #52

Country before party; protecting the Constitution is the most important Nt. Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #27

you don't need impeachment for that qazplm135 Apr 2019 #28

Impeachment would be a bigger spectacle. Probably lead the news every evening. honest.abe Apr 2019 #30

Let them vote on it Timewas Apr 2019 #66

The problem with investigations Blaukraut Apr 2019 #31

right qazplm135 Apr 2019 #37

If somebody won't vote Dem because they tried to impeach... HopeAgain Apr 2019 #33

Excellent point. honest.abe Apr 2019 #35

And a responsible exercise of congressional powers. TryLogic Apr 2019 #51

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #88

Impeachment has never been more justified in this country's entire history. DO IT! (nt) Paladin Apr 2019 #36

If you're talking about Steny Hoyer's statement, that's not what he actually said. George II Apr 2019 #38

Agree spike91nz Apr 2019 #39

I believe we shouldn't worry about the politcs The Liberal Lion Apr 2019 #42

It is all there Timewas Apr 2019 #43

This is my position srobertss Apr 2019 #56

Along with that Timewas Apr 2019 #70

Sounds like the tide is turning a bit at least on DU. BlueWI Apr 2019 #44

Ah, the Custer Strategy louis c Apr 2019 #59

Well said Baitball Blogger -- agree Dems need to get impeachment going for obstruction of justice. iluvtennis Apr 2019 #48

Are Dems afraid Repubs in the Senate will actually vote to remove him TryLogic Apr 2019 #49

Lack of consequences is inducement for recidivism MurrayDelph Apr 2019 #53

I know, it's just grating on my sense of equal justice. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #76

Add in Reagan and the hostages in Iran stopwastingmymoney Apr 2019 #105

Exactly. For once, it will all be there at one time, Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #55

can't see the forest through the trees.. stillcool Apr 2019 #57

100% Agree... louis c Apr 2019 #60

I go back and forth like a yo-yo.. stillcool Apr 2019 #63

"Impeachment is a show with a bad ending" there's no evidence of this. Clinton false equivalency has uponit7771 Apr 2019 #84

It has not been "debunked" louis c Apr 2019 #96

Yes it has, O'Donnel gave the scoop on that lie this morning. Republicans won house and senate ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #97

Democratic gains in both branches. louis c Apr 2019 #99

Gains are irrelevant at best, that's obscures from the point republicans impeached and ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #100

What does Clinton have to do... stillcool Apr 2019 #103

Republican house impeached Clinton but republican senate wouldn't remove him and republicans uponit7771 Apr 2019 #106

I don't see any correlation.... stillcool Apr 2019 #107

This is what people voted for in 2018. We had a gigantic blue wave because people wanted there to -Steph- Apr 2019 #58

I am not sure what the answer is. The founders made certain assumptions about how marylandblue Apr 2019 #62

It's their job. Meechum brought up what was said at the constitutional convention on O'Donnell pdsimdars Apr 2019 #68

IMHO if they don't impeach then DEMS lose in 2020 Pobeka Apr 2019 #69

It's a similar idea to saying of a murderer . . . Richard D Apr 2019 #71

AND - even more worrisome: are they NOT aware that nothing's been done to stop Russia from violating calimary Apr 2019 #75

Hope you post this as its own thread. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #82

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #89

K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #77

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2019 #81

*****THIS***** Not only that how in the hell do we trust Russia isnt going to help Red Don in 2020!! uponit7771 Apr 2019 #83

+1000 rogue emissary Apr 2019 #90

It seems that many Democrats do not want Trump impeached. Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #91

67 Senators. louis c Apr 2019 #98

I fear Pence would be harder to beat n/t TexasBushwhacker Apr 2019 #93

Democrats: "Hey voters. You should vote for us because Trump is a criminal." Yavin4 Apr 2019 #95

I'm picking up what you're "laying down." Chin music Apr 2019 #101

First of all who doesnt have all of the information? tymorial Apr 2019 #102

I was watching the MSNBC interviews on the street, and was surprised to hear Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #111

Congressional investigations and Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #104

Don't impeach Trump until .... Shoonra Apr 2019 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #110

IMPEACH before the Reichstag fire! MasonDreams Apr 2019 #112

To be fair that was months ago but now the report by Mueller is in and I suspect cstanleytech Apr 2019 #113

history will judge us joet67 Apr 2019 #115

We can't leave it for 2020 sweetroxie Apr 2019 #116