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freedom fighter jh

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20. If she's smiling in a picture with him, the assault isn't legitimate?

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 06:32 AM

Aug 2012

To me, Assange is a hero, standing up for the people's right to know what government is doing.

But that's no reason to discredit this woman. People are complex. Maybe he doesn't know how to respect a sex partner's limits. Or maybe her charges are false. Can't really tell from here.

It does look like the sex-related charges are being used as an excuse to get Assange to Sweden so he can be extradited to the U.S. But that's government, not the accuser, using the accusation to persecute Assange.

Parsing her appearance -- when does she smile? -- is not an appropriate way to determine what went on between them. The implications of that are right next to "What was she wearing?"

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Is this the photo that could clear Assange ? [View all] dipsydoodle Aug 2012 OP

I don't know why they bother to block woman A's face: that picture, & her name, have been all HiPointDem Aug 2012 #1

The Mail cites legal reasons dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #5

The same condom which the prosecutors could not find any of his DNA on? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #56

I doubt it. cali Aug 2012 #2

Cali, Lefta Dissenter Aug 2012 #21

thank you. that's kind of you. cali Aug 2012 #22

(hug) Raine1967 Aug 2012 #43

Don't know. Waiting for confirmation of credibility. Zorra Aug 2012 #3

The more I learn in this case, the more I get a gnawing worry in my gut Scootaloo Aug 2012 #4

read the women's testimony to the police, for starters. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #6

I have Scootaloo Aug 2012 #8

I find the debate over whether or not a sleeping woman can msanthrope Aug 2012 #11

I'm certainly not debating that Scootaloo Aug 2012 #15

Because they want to arrest him, not question him. And they have no power msanthrope Aug 2012 #17

I think the debate is over whether or not she was actually sleeping. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #57

women lie. men lie. children lie. human beings lie. there isn't one group that's more or less HiPointDem Aug 2012 #12

Yeah, but sometimes the source of the lie matters. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #24

Wow mythology Aug 2012 #33

That's a pretty ridiculous interpretation of what I said. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #60

It's good to have high profile rape case where the woman is the proven liar cpwm17 Aug 2012 #37

That wasn't a myth exactly Nevernose Aug 2012 #39

Very valid concern. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #23

That is NOT the reason rape victims have trouble treestar Aug 2012 #36

Umm.... except for the fact that rape victims are often treated as liars.... The Doctor. Aug 2012 #61

Which version? She changed her story three times. A fact her own attorney acknowledges sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #63

"And of course there is Assange's own statements to the police which deny all of the allegations." NCTraveler Aug 2012 #73

Thanks for proving my point. If 'she said it' it must be true even if she changes the story sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #74

You said it is rare for a guy to deny criminal allegations. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #75

I was talking about this case. I said that throughout the discussions of this case it has been sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #77

The PTB is good at using our own progressivism against us. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #40

For one thing she never really accused him of rape. Cleita Aug 2012 #46

I believe she did want to force him to be tested for STDs.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #58

Probably not, since there are two women and separate allegations. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #7

That's the woman he sexually assaulted, not the one he raped. It won't clear him of the rape msanthrope Aug 2012 #9

I've not followed this closely enough to know who is who. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #10

Ms. A was Aug 13/14. Ms. W was Aug 17/18. msanthrope Aug 2012 #13

By charges I assume you mean allegations as stated in that PDF - page 21. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #14

No...charges. The Belmarsh magistrate detailed the differences msanthrope Aug 2012 #16

The photo cannot clear Assange because the rape allegation is a pretext to get him to Sweden. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #18

If you read Sweden's official prosecutor's page about Assange Swagman Aug 2012 #19

There is nothing tricky about it. They aren't looking to question Assange. msanthrope Aug 2012 #31

LOL, the talking points are getting confused reorg Aug 2012 #44

No...the British court does not agree with the Swedish prosecutors on that point. msanthrope Aug 2012 #48

LOL, I'd admire your persistance in arguing a lost cause reorg Aug 2012 #49

He wasn't saying how they may proceed. He was analyzing the defense argument msanthrope Aug 2012 #52

If she's smiling in a picture with him, the assault isn't legitimate? freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #20

It's not dispositive proof but it's evidence. Jim Lane Aug 2012 #26

I don't think anyone is saying it was rape -- freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #27

There is such a thing as rape or sexual assault, BUT.... Jim Lane Aug 2012 #68

I think we agree on half the issue. freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #70

Maybe more than half Jim Lane Aug 2012 #71

oh...gawd. Really? I was noncommitted on this until just now. He's guilty as hell isn't he? alphafemale Aug 2012 #25

Exactly. My first thought was "If Julian Assange thinks THAT is going to save him, he's an idiot" renie408 Aug 2012 #29

Leave aside the silly tabloid headline and read the article. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #62

There is no standard way to behave after you've been raped. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #28

No, this is the photo that Julian Assange is using to attempt to make this charge about the renie408 Aug 2012 #30

Or, ya know, like most innocent people try to do... ananda Aug 2012 #32

This argument is so sexist and old fashioned treestar Aug 2012 #34

I wonder if this material would even be admissible in the US: treestar Aug 2012 #35

And Anita Hill remained on friendly terms with Clarence Thomas Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #38

This is a misogynist BS argument Odin2005 Aug 2012 #41

You're right. cali Aug 2012 #42

What I think is weird is she threw a party for him and his associates Cleita Aug 2012 #45

Not to mention that in this day and age, with no type of restriction upon the women, Lionessa Aug 2012 #47

Actually one of the women brought a condom she claimed was the one sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #64

Testimony and texts from one of her contacts LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #50

My sympathy goes out to all rape victims. Cleita Aug 2012 #51

Great point fascisthunter Aug 2012 #59

Guilty or not Guilty? brush Aug 2012 #53

It's nice to think that only evil men are rapists struggle4progress Aug 2012 #54

I can't tell you how angry that story makes me smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #66

It's best that this be investigated by authorities. Who knows who is in that pic, Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #55

It isn't really about the picture. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #65

Fleeing is legally evidence of guilt. Lots of women in Ecuador, Julian! Get your camera ready!nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #67

To me it makes him look more guilty FreeState Aug 2012 #69

If a woman is married to an abuser... NCTraveler Aug 2012 #72

Here are the pictures that clear Jerry Sandusky jberryhill Aug 2012 #76