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Enoki33

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24. Either we are a nation of laws, or we are not. Either Kremlin tRump is

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:54 PM

Apr 2019

above the law, or he is not. Either the truth and morality still matters, or they do not. How Nancy Pelosi and fellow Dems go about answering those vexing problems in the positive is what they will have to decide. Personally l think they should aggressively proceed with open hearings as part of the public educational process, after which the impeachment decision can be made. The bottom line is that unless Kremlin tRump is held accountable we as a nation will lose what is left of our international credibility. Into that mix is the certainty that Russia will again be trying to elect their puppet. Between now and Nov. 2020 the future of our nation hangs in the balance and it will be a time for bold actions, not faint hearts.

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The main argument against impeachment [View all] SHRED Apr 2019 OP

We don't have to be hasty Turbineguy Apr 2019 #1

Who said hasty? SHRED Apr 2019 #4

We haven't even gotten the whole report yet Baltimike Apr 2019 #6

"Hasty" Turbineguy Apr 2019 #44

You have my sympathy Lulu KC Apr 2019 #81

Hasty?!!!!!!!! JohnZSmith Apr 2019 #43

Hasty? It's been over 2 years. pangaia Apr 2019 #46

+1000. nt ecstatic Apr 2019 #53

After 22 months there's nothing hasty about considering impeachment for Red Don's crimes uponit7771 Apr 2019 #76

And the main argument for: Ponietz Apr 2019 #2

What I'm seeing from the GOP is that luvtheGWN Apr 2019 #37

How damning does evidence have to be in the age of 'alternative facts' and 'fake news'? Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2019 #3

That's what hearings are for SHRED Apr 2019 #5

The people see nothing for themselves today, everything is filtered through a partisan lens. marylandblue Apr 2019 #13

The House comes up with the evidence SHRED Apr 2019 #14

Make a positive case to vote Democratic based on things people actually want marylandblue Apr 2019 #19

Naw... Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #55

If we can't rely on elections then impeachment is truly pointless and we have already lost. marylandblue Apr 2019 #59

In 2018 people voted Buffalo Soldier Apr 2019 #89

While it's true that we have a partisan filter problem, that's a terrible argument against. better Apr 2019 #30

I used the Ford-Kavanaugh case as an example, it's far from the only one. marylandblue Apr 2019 #41

Everything will be "those who hate Trump versus those who love him", to some. better Apr 2019 #48

"I am sure that whether or not you can win a fight is not the correct measure" marylandblue Apr 2019 #56

Let's unpack that understanding of strategy a bit. better Apr 2019 #62

"Sure you can win," is not the measure, because there is no sure thing. marylandblue Apr 2019 #65

I think the overarching point I am trying to make is that here too, we were attacked. better Apr 2019 #66

Well we are talking about two different things then. marylandblue Apr 2019 #68

Well said. I totally agree. BarbD Apr 2019 #94

Great assessment..imho.. Maxheader Apr 2019 #7

The House should hold hearings on impeachment Jarqui Apr 2019 #8

and..... Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #9

Yes! sharedvalues Apr 2019 #23

Agree with Mimi..T ewagner Apr 2019 #38

and using limbaugh and 1500 radio stations to keep republican politicians in line and certainot Apr 2019 #50

If Trump isn't convicted Progressive dog Apr 2019 #74

After a vote to impeach the senate is onligate Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #10

Do you mean obligated? murielm99 Apr 2019 #11

Phones suck for typing :-) Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #64

Yeah, OK Cosmocat Apr 2019 #12

Then they can all face forced retirement. Volaris Apr 2019 #16

No they're not, Moscow Mitch does not have to bring conviction to a vote and most likely wont uponit7771 Apr 2019 #77

That and that a nonconviction would make Trump stronger. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #15

Whatever happens SHRED Apr 2019 #17

Not uncover. Amplify the crimes in the press. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #21

I don't buy your argument that a nonconviction would make him stronger Poiuyt Apr 2019 #70

I don't necessary ascribe to the theory that he will be stronger post-nonconviction... aikoaiko Apr 2019 #72

I don't necessary ascribe to the theory that he will be stronger post-nonconviction... aikoaiko Apr 2019 #73

let the Constitution lead us proud patriot Apr 2019 #18

Best defense is a good offense sharedvalues Apr 2019 #20

You're exactly right. Because it's the start and end of doing the right thing for all Americans. ancianita Apr 2019 #22

Either we are a nation of laws, or we are not. Either Kremlin tRump is Enoki33 Apr 2019 #24

I agree. better Apr 2019 #32

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2019 #25

Senate won't convict, Now. After well coordinated investigations to educate the public ... StTimofEdenRoc Apr 2019 #26

Agreed. But let us also remember better Apr 2019 #33

They won't change and they won't convict. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #61

By exposing all of the issues that truly deserve impeachment, the cost for a senator voting no StTimofEdenRoc Apr 2019 #80

I'm not sure I'd agree. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #92

And a handful of senators will determine who controls the senate StTimofEdenRoc Apr 2019 #98

So what if they can't convict or don't bring it up? doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #27

+1000 SHRED Apr 2019 #28

Screw the Senate, and What They Will or Won't Do! panfluteman Apr 2019 #29

This 100% humbled_opinion Apr 2019 #31

Thanks!! SHRED Apr 2019 #34

Most want him held accountable SHRED Apr 2019 #36

K&R. Couldn't agree more. mountain grammy Apr 2019 #35

Not to be hasty but our country was stolen from us 2 years ago... NotHardly Apr 2019 #39

If DEMS do what's RIGHT by the Constitution,,,, lastlib Apr 2019 #40

It's their job description from the Constitution and they want to shirk it for political reasons pdsimdars Apr 2019 #42

the way to push impeachment is to go on offense vs their most important weapon certainot Apr 2019 #45

I want it all brought out in public testimony radical noodle Apr 2019 #47

Absolutely correct. The question I have is can McConnell refuse to schedule a trial and say well we Pepsidog Apr 2019 #49

Seems to me that would wok in our favor standingtall Apr 2019 #52

Why MUST the hearings be on impeachment? OneBro Apr 2019 #51

Let the Hearings Begin! dlk Apr 2019 #54

No brainer to me. Can't set this precedent of corruption elias7 Apr 2019 #57

Ok, here's the story patphil Apr 2019 #58

Truth SHRED Apr 2019 #63

+1, Another Russian Whore Greenwald pretty much said this very thing. uponit7771 Apr 2019 #79

The people count more. Prosper Apr 2019 #60

None of that will pass while Trump is in the white house.... qdouble Apr 2019 #67

Organizie the people. Prosper Apr 2019 #69

I don't know how holding Trump accountable means that we'll all of sudden stop caring about issues qdouble Apr 2019 #75

2020 is not a given. Prosper Apr 2019 #83

Do you trust the Russians wont help Trump win the 2020 election? I don't, 30+ years in IT I am throw uponit7771 Apr 2019 #78

What is the point of having a constitution if we don't follow it? BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #71

Crank up the hearings..... Historic NY Apr 2019 #82

What it will take to impeach is public opinion. That's one lesson from Watergate. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #84

regardless of whether we think the senate will do its job, stevesinpa Apr 2019 #85

At the very least, if it puts pressure on Republicans or makes them look more stupid than usual, go Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #86

Either Remove Trump Liberalhammer Apr 2019 #87

Use impeachment to pound the senate and congress repugs, Mc Mike Apr 2019 #88

I have come to the conclusion that the House should vote to impeach regardless. But the House should Nitram Apr 2019 #90

All you need to consider for impeachment... DAngelo136 Apr 2019 #91

beautiful quote Locrian Apr 2019 #95

Traitors, Oath Breakers Ragrum Apr 2019 #93

Can't Congress have public hearings to bring forth damning evidence WITHOUT impeachment? AdamGG Apr 2019 #96

20 GOP senators up for reelection in 2020 Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #97