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louis c

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118. No way...

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 10:33 AM

Apr 2019

...Some Democrats beat some Democratic incumbents because the people in that district were for impeachment.

But we won the House because moderate Democrats in swing districts, or districts won by Trump beat incumbent Republicans.

In order to control the House, a party needs a majority. Democrats beating Democrats does not add to Dem seats. Dems beating Reps is how we took the House.

As a matter of fact, few, if any, Democratic candidates in these moderate districts even mentioned impeachment.

Trying to tell loyal Democrats that the election "fix is in" does Russia's work for them. Nothing could suppress our vote more than convincing our voters that their votes won't count.

Let's take your theory to it's ultimate conclusion. Trump gets impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate. Pence becomes President. If the fix is in for Trump, why wouldn't it be in for Pence?

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If democrats like Steny Hoyer think letting trump go Scott free is a good idea, I would like to know [View all] Augiedog Apr 2019 OP

First Hoyer is not a senator. But otherwise I agree with you. triron Apr 2019 #1

I might be wrong, but Hoyer said something like impeachment is not viable now, at this time. Stuart G Apr 2019 #2

No, Hoyer said there is no point impeaching him because there is an election in 18 months. OliverQ Apr 2019 #18

He could be right. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #19

We need to do what is right for the good of our democracy. We need to hold Trump and those KPN Apr 2019 #60

I tend to agree. BUT... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #64

It's a simple decision in my view. Do what's KPN Apr 2019 #65

It's complicated, if the end result means that Trump will have four more years... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #66

I disagree. This is nothing like Clinton. KPN Apr 2019 #83

I think you mean to respond to someone else. I didn't say anything about Clinton. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #84

I understand that. That's the reason Democratic leadership KPN Apr 2019 #85

Oh, okay. But that's not the point I was making at all. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #86

Well to be fair it would give Trump a ton of free PR as the media would be all over the story and cstanleytech Apr 2019 #21

Trump is going to get a ton of free PR no matter what Poiuyt Apr 2019 #30

If they don't Trump is going to blame Democrats doc03 Apr 2019 #36

He already was doing that but the numerous convictions and his refusal to testify prove who the cstanleytech Apr 2019 #39

Trouble is the people that support him doc03 Apr 2019 #48

That is already a foregone conclusion Poohbearpicnic Apr 2019 #104

Interesting you come here out of nowhere with 5 posts doc03 Apr 2019 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2019 #120

Sadly, I believe that if we do not impeach Trump, then I think that Trump might win re-election. Dan Apr 2019 #22

It's the other way around. Read your history Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #24

explain, please... Dan Apr 2019 #25

You read yours Poiuyt Apr 2019 #33

agree larwdem Apr 2019 #51

Hoyer is making the assumption that trump will be voted out. Cousin Dupree Apr 2019 #29

If Trump is re-elected Dan Apr 2019 #42

"Hoyer is making the assumption that trump will be voted out." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #97

If Trump is re-elected, then the normalization will be complete LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #113

He could be right DownriverDem Apr 2019 #61

House Democrats need to investigate Trump's finances first sop Apr 2019 #115

This is why I'm ready to see the era yield to a younger generation. Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #3

+1 SunSeeker Apr 2019 #17

Yes. And fast! FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #52

+1,000,000 Locrian Apr 2019 #57

+1 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #98

Hyperbole much? Nobody said "go scott free." Impeachment ain't happening no matter how much you yell PSPS Apr 2019 #4

I agree. I also think Dems should investigate and impeach/discipline lower-level actors and expose chowder66 Apr 2019 #28

Be careful. Very few here are willing to hear the voice of reason... louis c Apr 2019 #110

That's a foolish premise; elleng Apr 2019 #5

She is where he is angrychair Apr 2019 #8

no shit gopiscrap Apr 2019 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz Apr 2019 #7

No one is arguing that Trump get off scot-free. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #9

He could torture people, some to death. Oh, wait...no...that doesn't get prosecuted either. Solly Mack Apr 2019 #10

I'm think that if someone shakes their finger at him really hard, with a stern look smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #11

I've been in full disgust for over a decade now. Going into two decades soon. Solly Mack Apr 2019 #12

To be fair he only committed treason, it's not like he lied about a blow job. onecaliberal Apr 2019 #37

Yes, there is that. Solly Mack Apr 2019 #40

Or he could negotiate with a foreign nation not to release hostages until after the election to suffragette Apr 2019 #69

Yep Solly Mack Apr 2019 #70

My 2 cents Jake Stern Apr 2019 #13

How would vindication happen? Who cares about his stupid useless base, without Russia it uponit7771 Apr 2019 #15

Clinton was never that popular. former9thward Apr 2019 #49

Clinton was polling 40% with Republicans that's DAMN HIGH for opposition party member in any country uponit7771 Apr 2019 #53

Votes are what count. former9thward Apr 2019 #54

I disagree, polls .. DO COUNT ... aggregates of polls give some insight into what people feel and uponit7771 Apr 2019 #55

What Kind Of Country? One that elects KINGS for 8 year terms uponit7771 Apr 2019 #14

I don't think that Senator Hoyer and others will let "Trump Go" Stuart G Apr 2019 #16

It's their constitutional duty. . . It has nothing to do with the Senate, the duty of the House . . pdsimdars Apr 2019 #20

If you are going to attack Hoyer, quote him so we can see for ourselves the context. PS: BIG D. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2019 #23

Trump has gotten away with things no Democrat ever could. Lonestarblue Apr 2019 #26

Hoyer should not comment either was on impeachment. it's too early saljr1 Apr 2019 #27

I am not allowed to post here what I think about Steny for that EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #31

Why? saljr1 Apr 2019 #50

Posts critical of Dems get deleted FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #74

in my post, I criticized him. saljr1 Apr 2019 #105

Someone has to alert. Results are not consistent. FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #121

Why? nt Heartstrings Apr 2019 #67

Posts critical of Dems get deleted FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #75

We are on the verge of literally telling him he can shoot someone on 5th Ave. and bullwinkle428 Apr 2019 #32

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #44

If democrats like Steny Hoyer think letting trump go Scott free is a good idea, I would like to know ZERTErYNOthe Apr 2019 #34

And exactly what did we gain by throwing Al Franken to the wolves? Ligyron Apr 2019 #46

What Franken was tossed out for was playground LibDemAlways Apr 2019 #112

So Trump will be free to collude with Russia to doc03 Apr 2019 #35

That is my concern. onecaliberal Apr 2019 #38

This is what disturbs me the most. Akacia Apr 2019 #111

Put Auntie Maxine in charge watoos Apr 2019 #41

Bravo AD! Brilliantly stated. New leaders needed... Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #43

I feel sure that there's not a Democrat in Congress radical noodle Apr 2019 #45

Think it's quite brilliant of you pointing to Hoyer. The alternative Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #47

When and how did Hoyer say "letting trump go Scott free is a good idea"? George II Apr 2019 #56

Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue Generic Other Apr 2019 #58

'I'm not for impeachment' without bipartisan support, Pelosi says FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #63

I must be careful how I phrase this Generic Other Apr 2019 #71

Imeachment Hearings will give Trump his best chance of winning in 2020... louis c Apr 2019 #59

Elizabeth Warren is calling on the house to start impeachment hearings ASAP Generic Other Apr 2019 #72

Well, you're almost correct... louis c Apr 2019 #89

Louis you are a union man Generic Other Apr 2019 #91

I would only recomend a strike if we had a chance to win... louis c Apr 2019 #92

Very well put. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #96

Well said, louis c. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #101

We won the House because people wanted Trump impeached Generic Other Apr 2019 #116

No way... louis c Apr 2019 #118

For me, impeachment is the only option Generic Other Apr 2019 #119

I agree with you 100%. Its SO obvious. Trump would not be convicted. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #93

Hoyer walked back his statement 3 hours later, watoos Apr 2019 #62

Not cool to name-call those with a difference of opinion. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #68

Thank you for at least trying to sort it out Generic Other Apr 2019 #73

Congress has been investigating for months. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #77

I think they need the public to get out the pitchforks and torches Generic Other Apr 2019 #79

They've got it covered. They started plans back in January.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #80

It's hard to stay on simmer Generic Other Apr 2019 #81

It would be nice for impeachment papers... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #82

Any Democrat that votes sits out the GE, votes 3rd party or for Trump... louis c Apr 2019 #90

Anyone who sits at home because they dont get their way is a vote for trump. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #95

REPRESETATIVE Hoyer. RandySF Apr 2019 #76

Bill Clinton was impeached in December 1998 and Gore "lost" in 2000. cureautismnow Apr 2019 #78

And yet Clinton's popularity soared after they failed to convict jcgoldie Apr 2019 #88

statutes of limitations jcgoldie Apr 2019 #87

Seems all the more important to focus on beating him in 2020 louis c Apr 2019 #94

Where are you getting your talking points murielm99 Apr 2019 #99

In reality, even if the eight or ten detailed counts were adjudicated and he was convicted, Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #100

Take a deep breath Poohbearpicnic Apr 2019 #102

Hmmm. Same arguments over and over. Impeach!!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #108

I think defeating Trump in 2020 should be a priority NYMinute Apr 2019 #103

Hoyer is my representative. Collimator Apr 2019 #106

To get the report Congress has to say they are burrowowl Apr 2019 #107

Hoyer is a milk toast Dem. Enough of the free pass and waffling BS. Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #114

Hoyer is in the House, but that doesn't matter in this sense. amywalk Apr 2019 #117

'Obstruction of justice' is a very specific crime. ColesCountyDem Apr 2019 #122