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39. He was neutralized anyway when Amazon, etc. dropped him

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:14 PM

Aug 2012

Both because they did not want to be involved in illegal dealings and because wikileaks was too small a company to put up with the costs of their actions. The Anonymous thing did not harm Visa Europe or Master Card or Paypal.

So we hardly need to get our hands on him to stop the leaking.

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Good Julian vs Bad Julian [View all] renie408 Aug 2012 OP

Of course he can, and you see a fair number of people like me cali Aug 2012 #1

Assange has no problem being sent off to Sweden to face trial... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #94

no kidding. that's why I'm against his being extradited to Sweden. cali Aug 2012 #96

Because... AntiFascist Aug 2012 #97

Sure. You can be like Roman Polanski: make brilliant movies and Chorophyll Aug 2012 #2

That's what I was thinking. renie408 Aug 2012 #9

I don't doubt that governments (mainly ours) would love to get their hands on him. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #20

If ad hominem arguments can be used to convict anybody, then we should all agree that he is guilty. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #26

Then he needs to face the music in Sweden, regardless of how we characterize his behavior. randome Aug 2012 #29

I believe I said that Polanski was an extreme example. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #33

It is an extreme example. But an extreme example of what? He's not Polanski and he is not AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #42

I was responding to the OP and that was an example that came to mind. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #47

Thank you for your request. Please let me assure you that I am not "attempting to read" your mind. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #63

You keep using that word.... renie408 Aug 2012 #64

I agree with you that "She did not compare Assange DIRECTLY to Polanski or call him 'Polanski like'. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #66

Julian Assange is a Euro-trash asshole who's spent his entire adult life treating women like shit. baldguy Aug 2012 #3

Politicians are embarrassed every day. randome Aug 2012 #4

Bingo. 99Forever Aug 2012 #7

On what factual basis do you claim that "Julian Assange is a Euro-trash asshole who's spent his AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #28

The same basis that people have to convict him solely on the stength of the accusation. baldguy Aug 2012 #52

The U.K. made an ill-advised reminder of diplomatic versus political asylum. randome Aug 2012 #60

The massing of the British police was just part of the reminder and not part of a threat? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #69

It was a piss-poor reaction to events. No doubt about it. randome Aug 2012 #74

They retroactively repudiated their threat? backscatter712 Aug 2012 #82

They apologized, according to Ecuador. randome Aug 2012 #87

The UK certainly owed Equador an apology. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #99

They don't need to do all that treestar Aug 2012 #40

What do you call threatening to invade the embassy? baldguy Aug 2012 #55

They are not invading the embassy treestar Aug 2012 #72

That's not what they said last week. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #86

UK protected war criminal Pinochet but Assange isn't charged with any crime WillYourVoteBCounted Aug 2012 #5

Pinochet used legal maneuvers to delay his extradition until his defense team... randome Aug 2012 #6

Pinochet was also personal friends with high officials in the UK and US govts. baldguy Aug 2012 #14

His legal team still used the appeals process to delay and obstruct. randome Aug 2012 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #8

That is pretty much what I just posted upthread. renie408 Aug 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #16

It's still bullshit. They knew it was the one accusation that could turn Progressives against him. Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #11

I am curious renie408 Aug 2012 #12

Like Scott Ritter, maybe? randome Aug 2012 #13

Worked once... baldguy Aug 2012 #15

Yeah, pretty much. renie408 Aug 2012 #18

You do realize that "the things they say he did" amount to a broken condom, Lionessa Aug 2012 #19

Right. It's a minor thing, not a honey trap at all. randome Aug 2012 #22

He was neutralized anyway when Amazon, etc. dropped him treestar Aug 2012 #39

If AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #46

Of course there is no proof. It's a he said/she said thing. randome Aug 2012 #49

True, there's no proof. I'm not even sure that it is a "he said/she said" or a police-say thing. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #65

It could be that in cases involving sex, direct transcripts are routinely withheld... randome Aug 2012 #67

That can't be the case because they already released some direct transcripts in this case. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #80

The one thing that is NOT speculation is that the U.K. appeals process validated everything. randome Aug 2012 #84

"why would they not already have extradited Assange"? Maybe he went to the Ecuadorian embassy. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #90

Another thing I am curious about... renie408 Aug 2012 #32

Not only true, but the he's-a-rapist-advocates don't even know if there was a broken condom. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #34

False. Robb Aug 2012 #61

I bet you're amazed at how many times these facts have to be posted... SidDithers Aug 2012 #100

At this point, I have ceased commenting about Assange MineralMan Aug 2012 #17

Why can't he be both, you ask? Asking that we accept (1) that which is fact based and (2) that AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #21

Because the rape allegations don't seem as concrete as they should, Cleita Aug 2012 #23

Ok, THANKS... renie408 Aug 2012 #36

Nobody's saying Assange didn't behave like a douche. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #43

Then what he committed needs a name, because he committed something. renie408 Aug 2012 #50

This is where there is no black and white. Apparently there was consensual sex here both Cleita Aug 2012 #88

Nobody? I'm not sure that there is universal agreement, without proof, that he behaved "like AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #54

See, you are kind of what I am talking about with Camp Good Julian. n/t renie408 Aug 2012 #57

Your bilateral thinking is shown by your original post and your present claim that I fall within AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #77

I don't care if you buy or not. renie408 Aug 2012 #85

The lynching vigilantes are doing exactly what our CIA wants them to do, Cleita Aug 2012 #89

While I love a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #101

Then the propaganda is working - the government wants us polarized. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #25

"Low-level sexual misbehavior." Robb Aug 2012 #27

Not 'legitimate' sexual misbehavior. randome Aug 2012 #30

Yep. Not the kind that the woman's body can "shut down." Chorophyll Aug 2012 #38

There's the false equivalence again. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #45

The only way he should be treated is according to Swedish laws. randome Aug 2012 #48

Again, you're assuming that Sweden's behaving honestly in this case. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #71

There is no 'evidence' one way or the other to think he is being singled out. randome Aug 2012 #73

Are the women themselves calling it rape? No. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #37

"Acting in a manner designed to violate her sexual integrity." Robb Aug 2012 #53

To me it would be better to say, "Yeah, he's a creep.... renie408 Aug 2012 #41

Exactly. It's a tactic as old as Rome. Manipulate public opinion against someone Cleita Aug 2012 #91

The "good" he did is questionable treestar Aug 2012 #31

Ineffective? So, things went according to plan. Excellent! Pholus Aug 2012 #35

Your post doesn't make sense. treestar Aug 2012 #44

scratches head nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #58

Yes, but do they 'dislike' having their dirty linen in the open... randome Aug 2012 #62

There were 4 major leakages treestar Aug 2012 #75

It embarrassed MULTIPLE governments nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #83

But they are not doing anything about it treestar Aug 2012 #93

That is not the point. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #95

Then you didn't think about it long enough. Pholus Aug 2012 #78

Like Good JFK and Bad JFK. Or good/bad Woodrow Wilson. OR good/bad Napoleon Bonaparte. Bucky Aug 2012 #51

I have always thought that the kind of ego that would make you renie408 Aug 2012 #56

So did the Founding Fathers Bucky Aug 2012 #59

Even Gandhi wasn't a complete saint. leveymg Aug 2012 #68

I think you have raised a very interesting point. People are complex. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #70

And complex people exceedingly so. I wouldn't want the world led by saints and simpletons. leveymg Aug 2012 #76

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #92

It's all in the name. randome Aug 2012 #79

I'm sure he is both a brilliant man and an asshole LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #81

when he let go of 250k cable with absolutely no check in place for innocent lives, i turned on him seabeyond Aug 2012 #98