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Cleita

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51. My sympathy goes out to all rape victims.

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:44 PM

Aug 2012

But it seems that they might not be able to leave their pain behind in many instances and just look with a cold and unemotional eye at the facts that have emerged. Quite honestly, very few facts have emerged. The rest is conjecture and conflicting testimony.

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Is this the photo that could clear Assange ? [View all] dipsydoodle Aug 2012 OP

I don't know why they bother to block woman A's face: that picture, & her name, have been all HiPointDem Aug 2012 #1

The Mail cites legal reasons dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #5

The same condom which the prosecutors could not find any of his DNA on? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #56

I doubt it. cali Aug 2012 #2

Cali, Lefta Dissenter Aug 2012 #21

thank you. that's kind of you. cali Aug 2012 #22

(hug) Raine1967 Aug 2012 #43

Don't know. Waiting for confirmation of credibility. Zorra Aug 2012 #3

The more I learn in this case, the more I get a gnawing worry in my gut Scootaloo Aug 2012 #4

read the women's testimony to the police, for starters. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #6

I have Scootaloo Aug 2012 #8

I find the debate over whether or not a sleeping woman can msanthrope Aug 2012 #11

I'm certainly not debating that Scootaloo Aug 2012 #15

Because they want to arrest him, not question him. And they have no power msanthrope Aug 2012 #17

I think the debate is over whether or not she was actually sleeping. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #57

women lie. men lie. children lie. human beings lie. there isn't one group that's more or less HiPointDem Aug 2012 #12

Yeah, but sometimes the source of the lie matters. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #24

Wow mythology Aug 2012 #33

That's a pretty ridiculous interpretation of what I said. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #60

It's good to have high profile rape case where the woman is the proven liar cpwm17 Aug 2012 #37

That wasn't a myth exactly Nevernose Aug 2012 #39

Very valid concern. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #23

That is NOT the reason rape victims have trouble treestar Aug 2012 #36

Umm.... except for the fact that rape victims are often treated as liars.... The Doctor. Aug 2012 #61

Which version? She changed her story three times. A fact her own attorney acknowledges sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #63

"And of course there is Assange's own statements to the police which deny all of the allegations." NCTraveler Aug 2012 #73

Thanks for proving my point. If 'she said it' it must be true even if she changes the story sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #74

You said it is rare for a guy to deny criminal allegations. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #75

I was talking about this case. I said that throughout the discussions of this case it has been sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #77

The PTB is good at using our own progressivism against us. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #40

For one thing she never really accused him of rape. Cleita Aug 2012 #46

I believe she did want to force him to be tested for STDs.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #58

Probably not, since there are two women and separate allegations. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #7

That's the woman he sexually assaulted, not the one he raped. It won't clear him of the rape msanthrope Aug 2012 #9

I've not followed this closely enough to know who is who. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #10

Ms. A was Aug 13/14. Ms. W was Aug 17/18. msanthrope Aug 2012 #13

By charges I assume you mean allegations as stated in that PDF - page 21. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #14

No...charges. The Belmarsh magistrate detailed the differences msanthrope Aug 2012 #16

The photo cannot clear Assange because the rape allegation is a pretext to get him to Sweden. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #18

If you read Sweden's official prosecutor's page about Assange Swagman Aug 2012 #19

There is nothing tricky about it. They aren't looking to question Assange. msanthrope Aug 2012 #31

LOL, the talking points are getting confused reorg Aug 2012 #44

No...the British court does not agree with the Swedish prosecutors on that point. msanthrope Aug 2012 #48

LOL, I'd admire your persistance in arguing a lost cause reorg Aug 2012 #49

He wasn't saying how they may proceed. He was analyzing the defense argument msanthrope Aug 2012 #52

If she's smiling in a picture with him, the assault isn't legitimate? freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #20

It's not dispositive proof but it's evidence. Jim Lane Aug 2012 #26

I don't think anyone is saying it was rape -- freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #27

There is such a thing as rape or sexual assault, BUT.... Jim Lane Aug 2012 #68

I think we agree on half the issue. freedom fighter jh Aug 2012 #70

Maybe more than half Jim Lane Aug 2012 #71

oh...gawd. Really? I was noncommitted on this until just now. He's guilty as hell isn't he? alphafemale Aug 2012 #25

Exactly. My first thought was "If Julian Assange thinks THAT is going to save him, he's an idiot" renie408 Aug 2012 #29

Leave aside the silly tabloid headline and read the article. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #62

There is no standard way to behave after you've been raped. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #28

No, this is the photo that Julian Assange is using to attempt to make this charge about the renie408 Aug 2012 #30

Or, ya know, like most innocent people try to do... ananda Aug 2012 #32

This argument is so sexist and old fashioned treestar Aug 2012 #34

I wonder if this material would even be admissible in the US: treestar Aug 2012 #35

And Anita Hill remained on friendly terms with Clarence Thomas Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #38

This is a misogynist BS argument Odin2005 Aug 2012 #41

You're right. cali Aug 2012 #42

What I think is weird is she threw a party for him and his associates Cleita Aug 2012 #45

Not to mention that in this day and age, with no type of restriction upon the women, Lionessa Aug 2012 #47

Actually one of the women brought a condom she claimed was the one sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #64

Testimony and texts from one of her contacts LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #50

My sympathy goes out to all rape victims. Cleita Aug 2012 #51

Great point fascisthunter Aug 2012 #59

Guilty or not Guilty? brush Aug 2012 #53

It's nice to think that only evil men are rapists struggle4progress Aug 2012 #54

I can't tell you how angry that story makes me smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #66

It's best that this be investigated by authorities. Who knows who is in that pic, Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #55

It isn't really about the picture. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #65

Fleeing is legally evidence of guilt. Lots of women in Ecuador, Julian! Get your camera ready!nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #67

To me it makes him look more guilty FreeState Aug 2012 #69

If a woman is married to an abuser... NCTraveler Aug 2012 #72

Here are the pictures that clear Jerry Sandusky jberryhill Aug 2012 #76