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Showing Original Post only (View all)A coup is taking place in our country right now. [View all]
At this point, the Separation of Powers doctrine no longer exists. Welcome to the world of doublespeak. Orwell would be proud.
BARR: ITS NOT A CRIME FOR TRUMP TO DEMAND STAFFERS LIE TO INVESTIGATORS
Isnt that literally obstruction of justice?
...In case there was any remaining doubt that William Barr sees his job as protecting Donald Trump, his testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesdaythe first of two days of public hearings on Capitol Hillmade perfectly clear where the attorney generals allegiance lies. Even in a case where Trump literally instructed a White House lawyer to lie on the record (obstruction) to hide the fact that he tried to fire the man investigating him (obstruction).
You . . . have a situation where a president essentially tries to change the lawyers account in order to prevent further criticism of himself, Senator Dianne Feinstein told Barr during her allotted five minutes, pointing to the fact that the president told former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie to investigators about Trump instructing him to remove Mueller. Why, she wondered, is that not obstruction of justice? To which Barr responded, Well, thats not a crime.
So you can, in this situation, instruct someone to lie? Feinstein asked.
We felt that in that episode the government would not be able to establish obstruction, Barr replied. If you look at that episode . . . the instruction said Go to [Rod] Rosenstein, raise the issue of conflict of interest and Mueller has to go because of this conflict of interest. So theres not question that whatever instruction was given to McGahn had to to do with conflict of interest . . . To be obstruction of justice the lie has to be tied to impairing the evidence in a particular proceeding. McGahn had already given his evidence and I think it would be plausible that the purpose of McGahn memorializing what the president was asking was to make the record that the president never directed him to fire. And there is a distinction between saying to someone, go fire him, go fire Mueller and saying have him removed based on conflict.
Isnt that literally obstruction of justice?
...In case there was any remaining doubt that William Barr sees his job as protecting Donald Trump, his testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesdaythe first of two days of public hearings on Capitol Hillmade perfectly clear where the attorney generals allegiance lies. Even in a case where Trump literally instructed a White House lawyer to lie on the record (obstruction) to hide the fact that he tried to fire the man investigating him (obstruction).
You . . . have a situation where a president essentially tries to change the lawyers account in order to prevent further criticism of himself, Senator Dianne Feinstein told Barr during her allotted five minutes, pointing to the fact that the president told former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie to investigators about Trump instructing him to remove Mueller. Why, she wondered, is that not obstruction of justice? To which Barr responded, Well, thats not a crime.
So you can, in this situation, instruct someone to lie? Feinstein asked.
We felt that in that episode the government would not be able to establish obstruction, Barr replied. If you look at that episode . . . the instruction said Go to [Rod] Rosenstein, raise the issue of conflict of interest and Mueller has to go because of this conflict of interest. So theres not question that whatever instruction was given to McGahn had to to do with conflict of interest . . . To be obstruction of justice the lie has to be tied to impairing the evidence in a particular proceeding. McGahn had already given his evidence and I think it would be plausible that the purpose of McGahn memorializing what the president was asking was to make the record that the president never directed him to fire. And there is a distinction between saying to someone, go fire him, go fire Mueller and saying have him removed based on conflict.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/barr-not-a-crime-for-trump-to-demand-staffers-lie-to-investigators
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Effective impeachment, resulting in removal from office, is probably NOT an option.
MH1
May 2019
#14
It actually IS an option. The fact that we don't yet have the votes for it
StarfishSaver
May 2019
#27
In Nixon's case there were Republicans who still respected the law and democratic principes.
olegramps
May 2019
#24
Excuse me, but having an opinion about the Clintons, Wall Street, or any other part of political...
DemocracyMouse
May 2019
#25
That wasn't a coup. That was an election. And the person who got the most electoral votes won
StarfishSaver
May 2019
#28
You forgot about the "sweeping and systematic" Russian interference in the 2016 election.
mia
May 2019
#34
It's More of an Attempted Coup-We Can't Allow Republicans to Continue to Flout the Law
dlk
May 2019
#10
What's happening is more like a "capture" than a coup. There will still be the veneer of govt,
ancianita
May 2019
#19
It's been going on for awhile. 2000 and 2016 elections where the loser is the winner,
jalan48
May 2019
#23
Unless pelosi starts passing articles of impeachment against the likes of Barr,
beachbum bob
May 2019
#26
What's your endgame after Articles of Impeachment are approved by the House?
StarfishSaver
May 2019
#29
the end game is to use full power of the House, IF the framers of the constitution were worried
beachbum bob
May 2019
#55
Too many people want instant gratification, a feeling of "We sure showed HIM!"
StarfishSaver
May 2019
#56