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mia

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Thu May 2, 2019, 07:49 AM May 2019

A coup is taking place in our country right now. [View all]

At this point, the Separation of Powers doctrine no longer exists. Welcome to the world of doublespeak. Orwell would be proud.

BARR: “IT’S NOT A CRIME” FOR TRUMP TO DEMAND STAFFERS LIE TO INVESTIGATORS
Isn’t that literally obstruction of justice?

...In case there was any remaining doubt that William Barr sees his job as protecting Donald Trump, his testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesday—the first of two days of public hearings on Capitol Hill—made perfectly clear where the attorney general’s allegiance lies. Even in a case where Trump literally instructed a White House lawyer to lie on the record (obstruction) to hide the fact that he tried to fire the man investigating him (obstruction).

“You . . . have a situation where a president essentially tries to change the lawyer’s account in order to prevent further criticism of himself,” Senator Dianne Feinstein told Barr during her allotted five minutes, pointing to the fact that the president told former White House counsel Don McGahn to lie to investigators about Trump instructing him to remove Mueller. Why, she wondered, is that not obstruction of justice? To which Barr responded, “Well, that’s not a crime.”

“So you can, in this situation, instruct someone to lie?” Feinstein asked.

“We felt that in that episode the government would not be able to establish obstruction,” Barr replied. “If you look at that episode . . . the instruction said ‘Go to [Rod] Rosenstein, raise the issue of conflict of interest and Mueller has to go because of this conflict of interest.’ So there’s not question that whatever instruction was given to McGahn had to to do with conflict of interest . . . To be obstruction of justice the lie has to be tied to impairing the evidence in a particular proceeding. McGahn had already given his evidence and I think it would be plausible that the purpose of McGahn memorializing what the president was asking was to make the record that the president never directed him to fire. And there is a distinction between saying to someone, ‘go fire him, go fire Mueller’ and saying ‘have him removed based on conflict.’”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/barr-not-a-crime-for-trump-to-demand-staffers-lie-to-investigators
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No, it's not StarfishSaver May 2019 #1
Without impeachment that's where we stand. mia May 2019 #6
If a coup were taking place, impeachment wouldn't be an option StarfishSaver May 2019 #8
More information, please. pazzyanne May 2019 #13
Effective impeachment, resulting in removal from office, is probably NOT an option. MH1 May 2019 #14
It actually IS an option. The fact that we don't yet have the votes for it StarfishSaver May 2019 #27
The most important thing is how history will judge all this - AND us. calimary May 2019 #48
Well said. mia May 2019 #49
Clinton remained in office but dems lost Congress Cetacea May 2019 #41
May the reverse scenario happen in 2020. mia May 2019 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea May 2019 #44
In Nixon's case there were Republicans who still respected the law and democratic principes. olegramps May 2019 #24
+1000 mr_lebowski May 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea May 2019 #45
Correction: Unitary (Republican) Executive. Does not apply to Dems. nt Doremus May 2019 #46
A slow moving coup is still a coup Bradshaw3 May 2019 #31
You don't seem to understand what a coup actually is StarfishSaver May 2019 #33
Thanks for proving my point Bradshaw3 May 2019 #47
You are kidding yourself. Or just obfuscating. triron May 2019 #38
We are teetering on the brink of a bloodless coup. pnwmom May 2019 #51
He also claimed duforsure May 2019 #2
Barr hates the Constitution and any rules of laws only Iliyah May 2019 #5
T H I S - media should note this Cosmocat May 2019 #20
This guy (Rivkin?) spouted on PBS News Hour just now that sprinkleeninow May 2019 #54
The coup occurred on election night 2016. Zoonart May 2019 #3
Exactly. The exact date: 11/8/16. jrthin May 2019 #7
You are absolutely right!!! Left-over May 2019 #12
Yes. MH1 May 2019 #15
Excuse me, but having an opinion about the Clintons, Wall Street, or any other part of political... DemocracyMouse May 2019 #25
Correct malaise May 2019 #21
Exactly Generic Other May 2019 #22
That wasn't a coup. That was an election. And the person who got the most electoral votes won StarfishSaver May 2019 #28
You forgot about the "sweeping and systematic" Russian interference in the 2016 election. mia May 2019 #34
Still not a coup StarfishSaver May 2019 #35
Kennedy got 303 electoral votes standingtall May 2019 #40
You are ignoring Texas. former9thward May 2019 #50
Voter fraud was never proven in Texas in 1960 standingtall May 2019 #53
yeah and it was stolen from the person who got the most votes AGAIN Blues Heron May 2019 #37
"episode" FFS this whole show needs to be shitcanned Blues Heron May 2019 #4
Wow! pazzyanne May 2019 #16
the maladministration not the oversight Blues Heron May 2019 #36
It took place back in 2016 yaesu May 2019 #9
It's More of an Attempted Coup-We Can't Allow Republicans to Continue to Flout the Law dlk May 2019 #10
Barr proffered "remove" is not the same as "fire" which is 100% sophistry uponit7771 May 2019 #11
1984 nt TommyCelt May 2019 #17
Anybody still think the Constitution can wait until 2020? Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #18
Hillary is warning the 2020 democratic presidential candidates. triron May 2019 #39
What's happening is more like a "capture" than a coup. There will still be the veneer of govt, ancianita May 2019 #19
It's been going on for awhile. 2000 and 2016 elections where the loser is the winner, jalan48 May 2019 #23
Unless pelosi starts passing articles of impeachment against the likes of Barr, beachbum bob May 2019 #26
What's your endgame after Articles of Impeachment are approved by the House? StarfishSaver May 2019 #29
the end game is to use full power of the House, IF the framers of the constitution were worried beachbum bob May 2019 #55
No. That would be dumb. pnwmom May 2019 #52
Too many people want instant gratification, a feeling of "We sure showed HIM!" StarfishSaver May 2019 #56
this Kurt V. May 2019 #32
the coup began 11/9/2016 niyad May 2019 #42
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