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Blue_true

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13. Veal is Milenniums older than the concept of Veganism, which is a late 20th century concept.

Wed May 8, 2019, 01:11 PM

May 2019

I agree with you, high volume production of anything is not going to be pretty.

When I cut into an onion it weeps white fluid. Of course I don't feel that I killed it as I would if I chopped off a chicken's neck to start preparing a meal. But my concept of what was living is defined by how I view what is alive and what isn't. The chicken moved, viewed, breathed and made noises so I saw it as alive. But the onion interacted passively with it's surroundings, but because of that passivity, I never view it as living.

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Photo of Newborn Calf Drinking Milk From a Hose Will Make You Rethink Dairy (*Warning graphic photo) [View all] Beringia May 2019 OP

Blessed are the cheesemakers. nycbos May 2019 #1

One of the reasons I am a vegan. MoonRiver May 2019 #2

I went vegan, too. Quemado May 2019 #77

hideous cruelty. thanks for providing facts. delisen May 2019 #3

Damnit, now I want some cheese. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #4

Yes and you feel safe saying that because it is not human Beringia May 2019 #5

Not sure if human cheese would taste good, but willing to try it. Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #6

You can buy human breast milk cheese online. Blue_true May 2019 #9

Hmmm... Guess I'll give it a try. Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #11

No! cannabis_flower May 2019 #28

Eeeewww! All I ever needed to know about mother's milk I learned from Mad Max ProudLib72 May 2019 #38

Just don't cut the cheese! zackymilly May 2019 #47

Thank you for some needed perspective..... EarnestPutz May 2019 #53

needed perspective? handmade34 May 2019 #55

Didn't respond to the original post. Responded to someone else's .... EarnestPutz May 2019 #65

The important thing is to consistently trivialize actual concerns. LanternWaste May 2019 #16

Nah, I just don't take propaganda from vegans seriously. Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #18

not emotional manipulation handmade34 May 2019 #56

Keep telling yourself that Dr Hobbitstein May 2019 #64

Of course it is FBaggins May 2019 #79

We perpetrate a lot of horrible shit Codeine May 2019 #7

The mother may have died during childbirth... cynatnite May 2019 #8

I think it is standard to take away the calf, because the farmers want the cow's milk Beringia May 2019 #12

Not where I worked at... cynatnite May 2019 #14

A modern dairy cow produces way more milk than Drahthaardogs May 2019 #67

Some people are not aware that babies are separated from their mothers Beringia May 2019 #68

When they said "Forcibly Impregnated" I laughed my ass off Drahthaardogs May 2019 #69

They are forcibly impregnated Beringia May 2019 #70

Lol. Cows come in season and are receptive to breeding Drahthaardogs May 2019 #71

I think when someone says forcibly impregnated, they are referring to artificial insemination Beringia May 2019 #74

Veal is Milenniums older than the concept of Veganism, which is a late 20th century concept. Blue_true May 2019 #13

I've killed my share of chickens... cynatnite May 2019 #15

You turned city because you can go to the supermarket and the chicken is already dead and dressed Blue_true May 2019 #22

That was only a small reason... cynatnite May 2019 #27

My uncle was a worker-farmer. Blue_true May 2019 #33

Is your anecdotal experience a standard or an aberration within the industry? LanternWaste May 2019 #17

The area I lived at was fairly normal... cynatnite May 2019 #19

You are correct jcgoldie May 2019 #20

Demand? If the ultimate goal is to feed hungry people we wouldn't be raising livestock at all. Doremus May 2019 #21

You make a lot of good points, but also made one error, IMO. Blue_true May 2019 #24

One word: Beano nt Doremus May 2019 #45

Sorry for bumping this older thread but I just ran across this graphic Doremus May 2019 #46

What the graphic does not cover is the impact of people eating Blue_true May 2019 #48

faulty comparision handmade34 May 2019 #57

Maybe. But I know that when I eat salads (a lot), fruit (a lot) and any Blue_true May 2019 #59

No, not 'maybe'. Ruminants' methane production (mostly burps) from eating grass is far larger muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #66

There is no fiber in meat, that's why no gas. It sits in the intestines and rots until the body can Doremus May 2019 #80

I have direct experience that says eating the correct amount of meat works. Blue_true May 2019 #83

Without using livestock to cycle soil nutrients, you are left with synthetic fertilizers NickB79 May 2019 #42

It's still an energy loss. Leaving the land vacant is the better use not only Doremus May 2019 #43

wrong Kali May 2019 #52

Good point. Blue_true May 2019 #61

So we should starve people? Blue_true May 2019 #60

We starve people when we expend more energy in producing food than we receive in return. Doremus May 2019 #81

So what is your solution, other than people should not eat meat, which in itself Blue_true May 2019 #82

Actually, animal dung is very good, but. Blue_true May 2019 #49

There is nothing wrong with using animals for food. n/t Opel_Justwax May 2019 #10

It has been done all of our existence as a species. Blue_true May 2019 #25

culturally, that is what handmade34 May 2019 #58

Large numbers of people do eat dogs. Blue_true May 2019 #63

Wait, I don't understand... Victor_c3 May 2019 #23

Best option in all circumstances regarding animals...... Red Mountain May 2019 #30

I read your title as "from a horse" and didn't know what I was going to see. Cuthbert Allgood May 2019 #26

Humans are excellent at not thinking about the suffering behind products they eat, use and wear, WhiskeyGrinder May 2019 #29

true Red Mountain May 2019 #32

Most people are by nature unthinking. That does not make them evil in itself. Blue_true May 2019 #35

Actually, I grew up on a ranch and we had a butcher business Drahthaardogs May 2019 #73

Just one of the animal cruelty reasons I am vegan MLAA May 2019 #31

What about deforestation to grow more food plants like soybeans? Blue_true May 2019 #36

Hi Blue True (edited to add link) MLAA May 2019 #40

no it won't Kali May 2019 #34

For the record Red Mountain May 2019 #37

They take calves away from the mothers Beringia May 2019 #39

Male calves are quite useful Tarc May 2019 #51

Because mom cow can't deliver it in any other way than piping it through a hose... Doremus May 2019 #44

Bite Size Vegan Mendocino May 2019 #41

One out-of-context photo and editorializing form some vegan whackadoos Tarc May 2019 #50

ugh Demovictory9 May 2019 #54

Nobody here is going to contribute to a retirement home for unneeded cows Kaleva May 2019 #62

And eaten. Drahthaardogs May 2019 #72

rare Rambling Man May 2019 #75

Most folks know jack shit about Rambling Man May 2019 #76

Yep. n/t snpsmom May 2019 #78