NYC shooter: I figure that it would have been worse

[krispos42]

168. *triple snort*

Yeah, like he'd give the guy he was stalking advance warning. Maybe time to take off his jacket, roll up his sleeve, and put up his dukes, too. Silliness? Read what you're writing. He's come up from behind and stab him in the neck, severing vital arteries and insuring the guy was dead long before EMTs could show up. This was premeditated murder, not heat-of-passion. THE GUY WOULD STILL BE DEAD.

Keep in mind that our non-gun homicide rate is as high or higher than the TOTAL murder rate of western European nations with strict gun control laws. You actually believe that, in a nation where about 14,000 people murder another a year, the 9,500 or so that do it with guns will just... what, go home and munch some potato chips?

Again: New York is an island - literally - of gun control sanity surrounded by a big blob of lax gun laws that allow about any gump with about any reason to walk into a gun store in, say, Florida - which is where this "law abiding gun owner" got this gun in the first place - and buy pretty much whatever firepower they wish.

People in New York can still own handguns legally. Was his legal? I don't know. We do know it was bought in Florida in 1991, legally. We do not know who bought it. Is this relevant?

We don't know yet. Was the gun properly registered in New York City? If it was, then it is irrelevant, because the gun would be legal, registered, certified, blessed, etc., by the city government.

If it wasn't, would he have been able to purchase a handgun legally in NYC at any time during his living there? If so, then the minor technical issue of "the NYPD didn't know he had the gun" doesn't mean anything, because he was a person with no criminal record who could have bought one legally.

Was it an "assault weapon"? No. It was a single-stack .45 pistol, presumably a 1911. Sub-ten-round magazine, no magazine outside of the pistol grip, no threads for a silencer, no barrel shroud, not a semi-auto variant of a full-auto-firearm, and an unloaded weight of less than 50oz. So that's a dead issue.

Asked & answered, but your mocking dismissal of one of the finest cities on the planet and, incidentally, a Blue center of liberal reason and enlightenment is noted. Again: you should not be a "host" of any forum on DU, not even the right-wing cesspool of the Gungeon.

Finest cities on the planet? Well, it's certainly interesting. Authoritarian police force and mayor knocks a few points off your claim of being a blue center of liberal reason and enlightenment, because, after all, you're only reasonable and enlightened if you're not being beaten into a pulp by the NYPD because you dared threaten the holiday shopping season or protest the monied interests that control the mayor and the NYPD.

Funny about that: in countries with civilized gun control laws, they surely do. Nations like Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, England, and so on. But I'll tell you what: let's just try some of those sensible gun control laws in this country that the vast majority of civilized nations and even American cities - like NYC - have on the books right now for a generation or so: if, after that time, the homicide rate remains the same, we can concede you were right! Would you go along with that? Forty years of nationwide restrictions on firearms along the lines of the NYC or Massachusetts model?

Of course, the homicide rate here would plummet, naturally, if we adopted such laws nationwide, just like it has in Japan and Australia and New Zealand and Canada and England, et al, so all we'll likely get in response here from you is more diversionary rattle & hum.


Um... I'll go with 20 years of firearm law liberalization and a plummeting homicide rate, thanks.