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Javaman

(65,947 posts)
24. here's the part that was snipped out... equally important...
Fri May 10, 2019, 09:44 AM
May 2019

The catalyzing effect would be even stronger when it comes to impeachment. You might hear that a majority of Americans don't think impeachment hearings are warranted. A recent Marist poll showed that 53% of those surveyed oppose them. Except when you dig into the poll, a much more interesting picture appears. Sure, 91% of Republicans oppose impeachment, with 70% of Democrats supporting it. But more fascinating, independent women support impeachment 54% to 37%. And, further down, a majority of just about every group other than Republicans as a whole support either impeachment or more investigations. Finally, 70% of Democrats say they would definitely vote for a candidate who supports impeachment, with, intriguingly, Independents split on whether or not they would.

And, honestly, I don't think most people understand that there are hearings before impeachment. A whole lot of Americans are primed and ready for those. They would naturally reveal more about Trump's obstruction efforts and function as congressional investigations. What those investigations end up proving about Trump's criminality and unfitness for office might significantly move the needle on impeachment support. As PBS Newshour points out, "When the Watergate scandal broke in 1973, only 35 percent to 40 percent of Americans wanted to move forward with impeachment proceedings against President Richard Nixon. One year later, more than 70 percent thought Congress should begin impeachment proceedings against Nixon."

On top of that, with 70% of Democrats already on board the impeachment train, failure to move it forward might have the effect of depressing the vote. That's what I think is behind these reports that Republicans really, really want impeachment to go forward. Those motherfuckers are double-dog daring Democrats, seeing a way to split the party on the issue. Man, fuck them and what they think. You're gonna let the arsonists tell you what fire alarms to buy? If Democrats followed Elizabeth Warren's lead and just outright embraced impeachment because it's, you know, their fucking duty, it would electrify Democratic voters and get them engaged and ready and anxious to punch Republicans right in the dick in 2020.

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Impeachment hearings are more than rallying the faithful, watoos May 2019 #1
But we have seen in plain daylight the obstructions, the corruption, etc. Democrats need to make Perseus May 2019 #9
You're preaching to the choir. watoos May 2019 #11
My major concern is how will it affect the election, either positively or negatively for Dems. olegramps May 2019 #20
Just as valid a concern angrychair May 2019 #30
The trend line is moving toward an invalid 2020 election. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #32
I don't completely disagree angrychair May 2019 #37
Each states holds the election treestar May 2019 #53
It will take voting and then force, I don't see any other way. Brawndo May 2019 #69
As I said both choices have consequences. olegramps May 2019 #68
Do nothing? Traildogbob May 2019 #35
" he's just not worth it" , House Speaker Nancy Pelosi . stonecutter357 May 2019 #2
He's not, but the country is. warmfeet May 2019 #3
That was trolling him. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #18
I look at it as doing what is right vs. doing what is pragmatic anarch May 2019 #4
Well, that's not the point he was making, and your thinking doesn't hold up. pdsimdars May 2019 #7
don't get me wrong; I agree with the Rude One's perspective anarch May 2019 #25
Not impeaching Trump is like letting a bank robber keep the money. Botany May 2019 #5
Yes, let them put their names down in that vote as standing with the traitor. pdsimdars May 2019 #8
Trumpy's path to consolidating dictatorial powers is clear and convincing. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #34
Dictators can run rings around a deliberative democratic republic. Eyeball_Kid May 2019 #36
He's not waiting for the "right time." Rambling Man May 2019 #66
This is a brilliant point, especially for rational minds. Apply the same rule pdsimdars May 2019 #6
This is unrelated but... Timmygoat May 2019 #10
The M$M is not our friend. watoos May 2019 #15
Great statement of where things stand, from The Rude One. Paladin May 2019 #12
Voting to Impeach Trump Is a Political Statement that the Democrats Have to Make panfluteman May 2019 #13
He still didn't explain how to get past a McConnell senate... lame54 May 2019 #14
His main point was that holding impeachment hearings watoos May 2019 #16
I know impeachment is the right thing to do but... lame54 May 2019 #19
The "loss" would come from Republicans in the Senate, watoos May 2019 #26
Good questions - no answers - just predictions and... lame54 May 2019 #49
No evidence to support your assertion Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #33
Actually - there is no evidence for either outcome except... lame54 May 2019 #50
"Almost no one talks about how this is a waste of time because it really isn't. FiveGoodMen May 2019 #59
There's the rub... lame54 May 2019 #60
We don't know the outcome, but... FiveGoodMen May 2019 #61
Can't believe someone alerted on a Rude Pundit post lillypaddle May 2019 #17
There are folks PufPuf23 May 2019 #22
Hey Nancy and (Democratic) Congress moonseller66 May 2019 #21
What did you expect them to do in 2016? MrsCoffee May 2019 #23
What did I expect them to do? moonseller66 May 2019 #28
Well, it's a good thing none of that happened then. TwilightZone May 2019 #62
None of what you propose Rambling Man May 2019 #65
here's the part that was snipped out... equally important... Javaman May 2019 #24
Timing. ginnyinWI May 2019 #27
Well, by then there'll be talk of Wednesdays May 2019 #38
I don't think we can wait 8 more months. babylonsister May 2019 #42
Depends on the courts, once they start fast tracking I think the attitude will change uponit7771 May 2019 #46
Why Not Just Impeach the Bastid Because He Broke the Law?? The_Counsel May 2019 #29
Fuckin' A!!! Rude Pundit puts a stake in the heart of cowardly defeatism! Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #31
Your favorite reason for not impeaching tRump sucks Blue Owl May 2019 #39
Love His Rudeness! calimary May 2019 #40
Its way past time for the criminal GOP to get a good spankin. nt yaesu May 2019 #41
Impeachment is the strongest form of censure available. El Mimbreno May 2019 #43
Strawman argument. Most objections to opening an impeachment inquiry now have nothing to do StarfishSaver May 2019 #44
On here and other left politico boards the theme has changed but not with dem pols they continue uponit7771 May 2019 #48
This EffieBlack May 2019 #64
By that logic there is no point whatsoever in PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #45
The consequences of inaction are worse Rizen May 2019 #47
Great article...apparently we aren't the only ones reading DU today Docreed2003 May 2019 #51
Credit should always be given saidsimplesimon May 2019 #54
Did I say it wasn't my goal? Docreed2003 May 2019 #56
Docreed, do not be offended saidsimplesimon May 2019 #57
No worries, wasn't offended. Docreed2003 May 2019 #58
At least start the hearings treestar May 2019 #52
Impeach Nixon 43% ... Impeach Trump 45% uponit7771 May 2019 #70
Sad to say tiredtoo May 2019 #55
It's all about timing. MySideOfTown May 2019 #63
impeach the treasonous motherfucker already! Hermit-The-Prog May 2019 #67
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