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SunSeeker

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18. He bent over backwards for Trump, that's for sure.

Sat May 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

May 2019

Anyone who has read Vol. I should be stunned that he found no conspiracy, despite all that evidence he listed. It was ridiculous to conclude that what the Russians did for Trump was of no determinable value--so in essence he gave the electioneering for Trump $0 monetary value--thus knocking out an element of the conpiracy. That is like saying a political ad has no value to a candidate. Utter BS. Of course he then passes the buck to Congress in Vol. II, claiming it would be "unfair" to Trump to conclude he committed a crime if he can't prosecute him. So stupid. Why did Mueller take the fucking job if he didn't want to, or didn't think he could, do it? His job was to determine if any crimes were committed. He didn't do that with regard to the central subject of his investigation. He abdicated his duty, letting Barr step right in.

We'll see what he says when (and if) he testifies, but he so far has let the country down with regard to Trump.

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The tragic Non-decision made by Mueller reminds me of the movie Saving Private Ryan. [View all] shockey80 May 2019 OP

Mueller's a puke, nuff said Blues Heron May 2019 #1

That's bullshit. we can do it May 2019 #2

Really? Nuggets May 2019 #31

Wow Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2019 #7

On the other hand, zentrum May 2019 #24

True, and the Iraq War ended up getting Trump elected Dopers_Greed May 2019 #41

Yes, and that's zentrum May 2019 #76

Except Trump didn't get 'elected'. He was installed. triron May 2019 #82

wait, what? Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2019 #80

Even we ordinary zentrum May 2019 #99

I did not know that............ Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2019 #100

Trolls are prolific today😐 we can do it May 2019 #36

I don't see any trolls on this thread. Who are you referring to? nt SunSeeker May 2019 #61

JUST pazzyanne May 2019 #14

He bent over backwards for Trump, that's for sure. SunSeeker May 2019 #18

+1000% - n/t mazzarro May 2019 #52

No monetary value, huh? How about the millions in rubles paid for Facebook ads? hedda_foil May 2019 #57

Right? SunSeeker May 2019 #59

His task was to determine shanny May 2019 #75

I agree. cilla4progress May 2019 #102

I agree Catherine Vincent May 2019 #64

Until we get the unredacted report... essaynnc May 2019 #3

If that's the case, why is Mueller not speaking out? shockey80 May 2019 #6

What do you want him to do? Go on all the Sunday shows? rainin May 2019 #17

Mueller should have said in the report whether Trump committed obstruction. That was his job. SunSeeker May 2019 #20

Barr is the bad guy here. barbtries May 2019 #27

Of course Barr is. But Mueller opened the door for him by not doing his job. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #34

as i said below, barbtries May 2019 #38

+1, uponit7771 May 2019 #86

I think Mueller did make a decision. kentuck May 2019 #4

I am not saying he should have indicted Trump. shockey80 May 2019 #9

Exactly. How is it 800 prosecutors were able to come to a conclusion but he was not? SunSeeker May 2019 #23

Precisely. zentrum May 2019 #26

Because those FORMER prosectors don't work for DOJ, aren't bound by it's rules StarfishSaver May 2019 #79

There are no DOJ rules preventing him from rendering an opinion on whether Trump committed a crime. SunSeeker May 2019 #81

There are reasons an investigator doesn't render an opinion about guilt or innocence StarfishSaver May 2019 #83

Even Barr, his boss, said he should have rendered an opinion on obstruction, so why didn't he? SunSeeker May 2019 #85

Yes, Barr said that. And you fell for it? StarfishSaver May 2019 #87

I did not "fall for it." I am stating the rules correctly. SunSeeker May 2019 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author UniteFightBack May 2019 #91

Had he done so, H2O Man May 2019 #45

That should not be his concern but left to DOJ and Congress - n/t mazzarro May 2019 #56

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man May 2019 #72

That's exactly how I read it too. The_jackalope May 2019 #10

No, he should have said whether Trump committed a crime. That was Mueller's job. SunSeeker May 2019 #22

"He's guilty but there's nothing I can do about it"? kentuck May 2019 #55

"He decided that he did not have the authority to indict a president" mitch96 May 2019 #42

Correct. H2O Man May 2019 #43

The problem is the system did not work. shockey80 May 2019 #47

Yes and no. H2O Man May 2019 #74

+1 treestar May 2019 #78

Ethical people sometimes make wrong decisions Taraman May 2019 #5

Yep. Overthinking. KPN May 2019 #39

Mueller was supposed to be law enforcement, not a beancounter. Girard442 May 2019 #8

Exactly. shockey80 May 2019 #11

Remember this fact: The mueller report made conspiring with our enemies legal. shockey80 May 2019 #12

While I'm not sure I agree with the premise of your OP, that is the effect of his findings ... and KPN May 2019 #40

I wish Mueller had looked at the bigger ethical issues Taraman May 2019 #13

Yep. cilla4progress May 2019 #103

K & R SunSeeker May 2019 #15

Mr Mueller played buy the rules when he should god damn well know this is a time to bend them. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #16

You have no idea what he is doing right now, but Jerry Nadler does. pnwmom May 2019 #19

Thats my feeling Clarity2 May 2019 #32

I don't think the Saving Private Ryan analogy is a good one Jarqui May 2019 #21

i think the jury is still out on that. barbtries May 2019 #25

Mueller is a spineless republican worm. smirkymonkey May 2019 #28

WTF we can do it May 2019 #62

I'm sur this analogy sounded better in your head Tarc May 2019 #29

An excellent analogy. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Nitram May 2019 #30

It's a poor analogy Kaleva May 2019 #53

Also, Hanks character was killed by machine gun fire from a tank. Blue_true May 2019 #84

I'm afraid war crimes are frequently committed to save lives when there is no way to safely Nitram May 2019 #94

The battle was over and no one's lives were in immediate risk. Kaleva May 2019 #97

Personally I think we're being goaded Nuggets May 2019 #33

Nowadays if you are behind the lines, you cannot take prisoners. PatrickforO May 2019 #35

When did they do away with the Geneva Convention? Kaleva May 2019 #51

If you are with a small group of soldiers on a mission, and you are behind enemy lines, PatrickforO May 2019 #66

That question does not apply to what the OP said Kaleva May 2019 #69

When I was in the army a Major gave us a class on the rules of war. shockey80 May 2019 #71

Another way to look at it. Kaleva May 2019 #73

It has been the same in every war, Patrick. But American WWII movies always portrayed a heroic Nitram May 2019 #95

What decision -- not indicting Trump for obstruction? Martin Eden May 2019 #37

That is a good comparison yaesu May 2019 #44

I have always believed that being a reThuglican mazzarro May 2019 #46

I must add this, Mueller was not alone in this tragic mistake. shockey80 May 2019 #48

Bringing the German back to base was not an option Kaleva May 2019 #49

I remember when people were up in arms because they were SO sure that Mueller had "cleared" Trump StarfishSaver May 2019 #50

This has not fully played out yet. MineralMan May 2019 #54

This is true, but how will Mueller fix the damage that has been done. shockey80 May 2019 #58

How could I possibly answer your questions? MineralMan May 2019 #60

I was not asking you to answer the questions. shockey80 May 2019 #67

We won't know until he speaks. MineralMan May 2019 #68

I agree. shockey80 May 2019 #70

Considering that the mission was a success, letting the German go was of no consequence. Kaleva May 2019 #63

I'm afraid you have a very idealistic and romantic notion of war. Nitram May 2019 #96

How so? Acceptable loses were incurred in completing the mission. Kaleva May 2019 #98

We have not read the unredacted report... pbmus May 2019 #65

He thinks it is not his place treestar May 2019 #77

He also didn't recommend Trump be indicted for state crimes, either StarfishSaver May 2019 #88

If Mueller wasn't sure they had a case, would you feel better if he said hughee99 May 2019 #89

NOT the important part of the post... albacore May 2019 #90

Steamboat Willie was the German who mortally wounded Capt. Miller Kaleva May 2019 #93

I cilla4progress May 2019 #101