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In reply to the discussion: Obama Had a Green New Deal, and It Worked. Let's Do That Again. [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)45. That's not a retraction of what you said.
You said that the policies accomplished "nothing" and "never would," and that there was "data that showed this."
Your 'data' turns out that CO2 levels are higher than ever, but you still provide no data that states Obama's policies didn't have an effect, or that CO2 levels would have been just as high without those policies. Just like the RWers who said that Obamacare "made prices higher than what they would have been," yet offer no data other than saying "prices are higher than they were."
You then denied you said it when I gave evidence that the policies did have a positive effect.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/15/trump-replacement-obama-climate-plan
The Trump administrations replacement for the linchpin Obama-era plan to combat climate change would increase greenhouse gas emissions in much of the US more than doing nothing at all, according to new research.
Planet-warming emissions would rebound under the Trump policy, researchers found, as it delays the retirement of coal-fired power plants. Carbon dioxide emissions would be 8.7% higher in 18 states and Washington DC by 2030, compared with having no policy at all.
The clean power plan, crafted by the Obama administration, would have set limits on carbon pollution and helped phase out the use of coal, the most polluting energy source for greenhouse gases. The plan was halted due to legal action, with the Trump administration intending to replace it with a watered-down alternative called the affordable clean energy rule.
Planet-warming emissions would rebound under the Trump policy, researchers found, as it delays the retirement of coal-fired power plants. Carbon dioxide emissions would be 8.7% higher in 18 states and Washington DC by 2030, compared with having no policy at all.
The clean power plan, crafted by the Obama administration, would have set limits on carbon pollution and helped phase out the use of coal, the most polluting energy source for greenhouse gases. The plan was halted due to legal action, with the Trump administration intending to replace it with a watered-down alternative called the affordable clean energy rule.
I think we've pretty much shown your argument for what it is.
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So tell us what would have "created the kind of reversals that were and are needed"
ehrnst
May 2019
#4
Actually, many things Obama did worked. Did you read the article at all before responding?
ehrnst
May 2019
#7
"Because working on a politically achievable policy that isn't a solution is a waste of time. "
ehrnst
May 2019
#37
Legislation requires more specificity as to what is mean by pursuing those goals.
ehrnst
May 2019
#11
He wanted it to get the floor so they could vote it down without hearings.
marylandblue
May 2019
#14
Yup, doing "something" that won't make a noticeable difference is worse than nothing.
marylandblue
May 2019
#23
How do we know that this one isn't, to use that suddenly taboo word, "moderate"? We know nothing....
George II
May 2019
#25
If they are not pursuing "IMPEACHMENT" at full volume 24/7 then they get trashed for not
ehrnst
May 2019
#30
Thanks for the info. I am glad there is some movement, and I'll read the bill later.
marylandblue
May 2019
#31
Thanks. Not getting the attention it deserves, even among us political junkies on DU.
marylandblue
May 2019
#33
He had a good healthcare plan, as a starter, excellent comprehensive immigration reform plan,
emmaverybo
May 2019
#27