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Codeine

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68. Each clone is an independent human being

Thu May 23, 2019, 08:01 PM

May 2019

with as much autonomy and humanity as any other. I would be loathe to tell any person that they had to surrender the rights to their body.

If a person clones themselves they would have to do it with the understanding that the resulting baby has as many rights as any other human, and if they wish to maintain their unique genetic pattern to themselves then perhaps regular babymaking is more in their wheelhouse.

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Would you have a problem with human cloning? [View all] MicaelS May 2019 OP

depends on who it is - Trump? hell no! rurallib May 2019 #1

First thought that entered my mind when I saw the question in the OP True Dough May 2019 #103

😹nt Meowmee May 2019 #158

I'm not really sure TBH Proud Liberal Dem May 2019 #2

creepy yortsed snacilbuper May 2019 #3

Nope. Voltaire2 May 2019 #4

I don't have any religious hang-ups about anything... Moostache May 2019 #5

We are headed that way. MicaelS May 2019 #17

We can also create designer Frankenstein monsters. Blue_true May 2019 #63

So spot on. brush May 2019 #84

You seem to be advocating YOU not being born. Doodley May 2019 #112

Furthest thing from that. MicaelS May 2019 #161

Ahhh...hell yes! We live in a racist country. Guess who will be cloned... brush May 2019 #6

"Cloned to vote a certain way"? Codeine May 2019 #11

It's a duplicate, right? A duplicate of who? brush May 2019 #80

A genetic duplicate. Codeine May 2019 #87

White, tall, good facial symmetry - these are physical attributes that influence socio-economic Doodley May 2019 #122

That is a social construct Codeine May 2019 #127

Exactly the point I am making. Doodley May 2019 #132

So if a Uterine Replicator was invented... MicaelS May 2019 #21

What the hell is the push for this about? For those who can't get laid? brush May 2019 #83

Whites can already make as many whites as they want Codeine May 2019 #88

But birthrate is lowest of all. You have to know that, right? brush May 2019 #93

Of course, but that's not through lack of ability. Codeine May 2019 #94

Read the thread. That was already discussed in many posts... brush May 2019 #98

That's not what cloning is. Codeine May 2019 #104

They're duplicates. Didn't we already have this discussion? brush May 2019 #107

A genetic duplicate. Codeine May 2019 #110

And you fundamentally do? Doesn't seem like it. brush May 2019 #117

As I am more than the sum of my genes Codeine May 2019 #123

Seems naive to leave out the motivation of the cloners and the... brush May 2019 #126

People can have good motivations as well. meadowlander May 2019 #144

Pls, I nave no problem with the West Point family and that very... brush May 2019 #154

Presumably cloning is going to be a lot more expensive than artificial insemination though meadowlander May 2019 #106

One would hope so. You have more faith in the country than I do... brush May 2019 #109

No push, I asked questions I wanted to get answers about. MicaelS May 2019 #91

IMO you have more faith in the prevailing racial attitudes than is warranted. brush May 2019 #95

At no time did I mention race. MicaelS May 2019 #99

I'm not opposed to the process, it's the circumventing defacto7 May 2019 #108

Ridiculous. All you need for fertility treatments is money in this country. Hekate May 2019 #120

Fertility treatment is hardly the same as cloning. brush May 2019 #121

Science is science, and it has already happened with animals. Change has happened so fast.... Hekate May 2019 #131

The only think stopping some horrible people from doing bad things is applegrove May 2019 #7

A clone of Hitler Codeine May 2019 #19

Genetics plays at least a partial role in many mental illnesses. Are you saying, you'd be happy Doodley May 2019 #129

I wouldn't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick Codeine May 2019 #135

It wouldn't be a non-event. A cloned Hitler would be a Doodley May 2019 #143

Who would be immediately shut down. Codeine May 2019 #145

You don't think there's a demand for a Hitler clone? Such a being would be Doodley May 2019 #151

Of course, Codeine May 2019 #152

Too many unknowns and variables to say "yes" or "no" at this time. BigmanPigman May 2019 #8

Against shanti May 2019 #9

Why is it creepy? MicaelS May 2019 #15

Because of the future implications shanti May 2019 #22

What would the negative purposes be? Codeine May 2019 #38

Yes... ADX May 2019 #10

Ah, so humans are "Playing God", correct? MicaelS May 2019 #14

No, incorrect. I didn't say anything of the kind... ADX May 2019 #30

That's not really an explanation. Codeine May 2019 #16

The question I posed - "where does it stop?" - is self-explanatory enough... ADX May 2019 #35

Fair enough. Codeine May 2019 #37

Many posters seem to be under the impression Codeine May 2019 #12

Yup, I hoped someone would get THAT point. n/t MicaelS May 2019 #13

i disagree. human behavior is contingent on social environment and genetic Kurt V. May 2019 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 May 2019 #18

Nobody is postulating cloning armies of oneself. Codeine May 2019 #25

Post #23 is closer to my position JonLP24 May 2019 #26

And yet has nothing to do Codeine May 2019 #28

I'm sorry about that JonLP24 May 2019 #29

People seem to think clones are completely identical PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #20

When one identical twin commits a crime, let's lock up the other twin Brawndo May 2019 #75

Yes. I think it would be wonderful to clone humans and expect similar results from previous humans dameatball May 2019 #23

Yup. 2naSalit May 2019 #24

Every one of our manipulations of nature Codeine May 2019 #27

Cloning someone won't make them the same person. LiberalFighter May 2019 #31

Yes I do have a problem with cloning. mwooldri May 2019 #32

If I could see Freddie Mercury perform live, tavernier May 2019 #33

Yes! Can you imagine more Trumps doc03 May 2019 #34

It is a complicated subject (obviously) Caliman73 May 2019 #36

I am not sure id cloning bothers me SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #39

That would be fantastic. Codeine May 2019 #40

hmmm with terraforming and long range space travel perhaps SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #100

watch a great telly series.................Altered Carbon Celerity May 2019 #101

Yep I have seen it SlogginThroughIt May 2019 #102

Anthony Mackie (Falcon in the Avengers movies) is the new lead for season 2 Celerity May 2019 #111

Eugenics would be inevitable... backtoblue May 2019 #41

Eugenics is probably inevitable Codeine May 2019 #42

Agree backtoblue May 2019 #43

If someone had my same genes, they would still not be me Generic Brad May 2019 #44

that's not the objection. the objection is the health issues and not being considered JI7 May 2019 #46

They'd be a baby. Codeine May 2019 #50

they should be but many won't and they won't be treated well JI7 May 2019 #52

I think that assumes facts not in evidence. nt Codeine May 2019 #54

we already have facts with how humans treat each other JI7 May 2019 #55

I completely agree. Codeine May 2019 #48

my problem would be for the cloned person and how their life would be JI7 May 2019 #45

To be fair, any child faces those issues. Codeine May 2019 #49

i agree, but this would be another level plus we don't even know JI7 May 2019 #51

against, pending a solution to telomere shortage 0rganism May 2019 #47

I'm not sharp on the subject of cloning but... In It to Win It May 2019 #53

Humans cannot be trusted tymorial May 2019 #57

We're going to manipulate DNA. Codeine May 2019 #60

Oh and you think there will be a line they wont cross? Give me a break tymorial May 2019 #79

Every line will be crossed. Codeine May 2019 #86

Yes with conditions. meadowlander May 2019 #58

Why a proscription on further cloning? nt Codeine May 2019 #61

Each clone is an independent human being Codeine May 2019 #68

Yes. Because so much can go wrong. nt Blue_true May 2019 #59

Stuff goes wrong all the time when we make babies. Codeine May 2019 #64

The complexity of the human mind and body is enormous. Blue_true May 2019 #66

A clone is basically just a twin. Codeine May 2019 #72

Ego is the only reason why a person would want a clone, IMO. Blue_true May 2019 #76

I wouldn't clone myself, but I might raise a clone of someone else if I had the option. meadowlander May 2019 #78

I honestly don't know anyone among those that I kniw Blue_true May 2019 #82

I didn't say all white people are racially close minded meadowlander May 2019 #89

Why would it be needed? Ilsa May 2019 #62

It is all explained and explored in this, the best telenovela ever made. Croney May 2019 #67

Yes. Dorian Gray May 2019 #69

Your philosophical argument Codeine May 2019 #73

Sometimes Dorian Gray May 2019 #159

There's already too many people, so no... tinrobot May 2019 #70

No, I'll take two! tazkcmo May 2019 #71

The answer depends ENTIRELY upon the details. RockRaven May 2019 #74

It's a bad idea. Sexual reproduction as a process more or less strengthens our species. gulliver May 2019 #77

Would a clone be a secondary human? defacto7 May 2019 #85

I already am a clone, just of multiple people. meadowlander May 2019 #139

No. Snackshack May 2019 #81

Humans can't be trusted. We are not a natural animal on this planet. defacto7 May 2019 #90

Oh good lord. nt Codeine May 2019 #97

First off, this is NOT cloning...secondly, I have no problem with this or cloning... cynatnite May 2019 #92

The question was about cloning. defacto7 May 2019 #96

it will happen (if it hasn't already) and there is nothing, literally nothing, we can do to stop it Celerity May 2019 #105

A Chinese scientist claims to have done it Codeine May 2019 #114

I don't lose sleep over it. defacto7 May 2019 #118

Ya, for one thing we don't need more people and for another, mahina May 2019 #113

People imagine a clone is like a xerox copy, with everything the same, an adult. Uh, no. It's a baby Hekate May 2019 #115

There's a lot of that in this thread. Codeine May 2019 #119

There's a lot of nonsense in the thread about the dead West Point cadet, too... Hekate May 2019 #125

Zombie voters and Stepford Wives. Codeine May 2019 #128

I thought we were supposed to be the Party of Science. This is a bit discouraging. nt Hekate May 2019 #134

Ignorance knows no party. nt Codeine May 2019 #137

Yes. I have 7,706, 050,000 reasons and counting. GoCubsGo May 2019 #116

Jurassic Park from uncle Fred's hairbrush or saved baby teeth. keithbvadu2 May 2019 #124

You might not even get a physically identical person. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #130

Cat coloring is some funky stuff. Codeine May 2019 #138

That can result from the fact that a single litter can have more than one father. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #140

NO! sellitman May 2019 #133

as long as it is a democrat I am ok with it gopiscrap May 2019 #136

No, it's all just DNA basically... JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2019 #141

The year is 2050 and I'm shopping on Amazon for a clone. Doodley May 2019 #142

Can I get the delivery on Prime? meadowlander May 2019 #146

Are you saying, everything else sounds fine. Doodley May 2019 #148

I'm saying racists are going to racist. meadowlander May 2019 #150

Why would clones be sold? Codeine May 2019 #147

I didn't indicate the clones wouldn't have rights. Doodley May 2019 #149

Yes, and I don't really know why. Laffy Kat May 2019 #153

For this case I would say 'yes'. But for rich people to have designer babies? Fuck no !! YOHABLO May 2019 #155

NO please I_have_had_enough May 2019 #156

Not at all. BigRig May 2019 #157

I would love to clone myself. rownesheck May 2019 #160

It will both help and hurt. LanternWaste May 2019 #162

No, I wouldn't have a problem with it. nt Turin_C3PO May 2019 #163

Nobody objects to the use of acquired sperm for IVF... brooklynite May 2019 #164

Yes and no. bluedigger May 2019 #165