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The Velveteen Ocelot

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31. Executive privilege and attorney-client privilege are privileges that aren't based on

Mon May 27, 2019, 01:19 PM

May 2019

the kind of proceedings in which they are litigated. The latest rulings didn't address them because the issue had to do with the House's power to issue subpoenas of a president's records; more specifically, whether the subpoenas were in furtherance of a legislative purpose. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6019022/20-19-Opinion-House-v-Trump.pdf Executive privilege wouldn't be an issue at all with respect to financial records that preceded Trump's presidency, as with the Mazars and Deutsche Bank's records. But even if those issues had been raised, they are no more or less relevant to an impeachment inquiry than to discovery in any other congressional investigation or a civil or criminal trial. Either they exist or they don't, regardless of the proceeding.

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What exactly would occur in the early stages of an impeachment inquiry that's not happening now? [View all] StarfishSaver May 2019 OP

The stonewalling would continue redstateblues May 2019 #1

Information gathering through hearings, investigations, etc. greatauntoftriplets May 2019 #2

That's all happening now. StarfishSaver May 2019 #4

Isn't that really what's going on now? greatauntoftriplets May 2019 #6

It is more serious than just an investigation scarytomcat May 2019 #3

What powers does the House get in an impeachment inquiry that it doesn't otherwise have? StarfishSaver May 2019 #5

Haven't you heard? The House would get the Magic Wand. CaptainTruth May 2019 #11

What powers are those? They already have subpoena power. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #8

good explanation stopdiggin May 2019 #10

Thanks for providing this research and excellent explanation StarfishSaver May 2019 #12

Arguably a judge might be more inclined to release grand jury information The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #14

Exactly StarfishSaver May 2019 #17

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2019 #21

Last week's rulings are completely relevant StarfishSaver May 2019 #24

Executive privilege and attorney-client privilege are privileges that aren't based on The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #31

What powers? N/T lapucelle May 2019 #28

I think it would give the Congress more leverage.. kentuck May 2019 #7

How would it give them more leverage? StarfishSaver May 2019 #15

You could always write the multiple Democrats of House Judiciary BeyondGeography May 2019 #30

A few things StarfishSaver May 2019 #35

You see THIS is what most of us here do NOT undertstand. bluestarone May 2019 #9

It would focus the citizenry davekriss May 2019 #13

No. It's a big assumption to draw that callingit impeachment will suddenly rivet the public StarfishSaver May 2019 #16

I disagree, I believe it is a safe assumption davekriss May 2019 #18

I keep relating it back to Watergate. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #19

"Has more to do with what they are uncovering than whether they're called impeachment" StarfishSaver May 2019 #20

I always thought they were impeachment hearings davekriss May 2019 #33

The 1973 hearings were held by a Senate select committee The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #34

A lot of people would feel better, but that's about it. n/t Captain Stern May 2019 #22

Question here. bluestarone May 2019 #23

The only constitutional requirement is that the Chief Justice preside StarfishSaver May 2019 #25

Here are the Senate's rules for impeachment trials: The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #26

The Senate doesn't indict because an impeachment trial isn't a criminal proceeding. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #27

TY i get confused a lot on this bluestarone May 2019 #29

The House makes the accusations; the Senate decides whether The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #32

The question is whether we'd get a faster, stronger, response from the courts if Trump pnwmom May 2019 #36

It would be hard to beat the speed and strength we got from the courts last week StarfishSaver May 2019 #37

That's true. We'll need to see how the Supreme Court handles this now, before we know. nt pnwmom May 2019 #38