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progressivebydesign

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109. Don't think you can declare bankruptcy to avoid a legal judgement.

Reply to former9thward (Reply #87)

Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:50 PM

Aug 2012

remember the republicans rewrote the rules a few years ago. I doubt you could do that.

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Recording Industry Succeeds In Ruining a Kid�s Life Over 31 Stupid Songs [View all] n2doc Aug 2012 OP

Poor kid Politicalboi Aug 2012 #1

Somebody should tell the RIAA Aesop's fable about ... neeksgeek Aug 2012 #2

And how the hell are they supposed to get it from the kid? RoccoR5955 Aug 2012 #3

Twenty or thirty years of wage garnishing, I'd imagine Posteritatis Aug 2012 #42

Not if he's making minimum wage. RoccoR5955 Aug 2012 #78

He declares bankruptcy and it is over. former9thward Aug 2012 #87

I wondered about that. savalez Aug 2012 #89

I have a feeling by then the recording industry will have tried to get the laws "fixed." (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #90

He will not owe his creditors at the time he went bankrupt. former9thward Aug 2012 #97

I don't believe you can discharge court judgements obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #103

You may not believe it but you can. former9thward Aug 2012 #118

Don't think you can declare bankruptcy to avoid a legal judgement. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #109

Both sides changed the rules. former9thward Aug 2012 #114

The RIAA cares less about the money than the message. JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #77

28 is not a "kid" nt msongs Aug 2012 #4

No, but the judgement is still assinine. nt Incitatus Aug 2012 #6

He's 28 *now* jsmirman Aug 2012 #9

Just what I was thinking theHandpuppet Aug 2012 #21

He was a college student when he did the crimes for which he was charged, more than 7 years ago. pnwmom Aug 2012 #34

This Case Goes back some years, he was like 20 when it started JI7 Aug 2012 #28

He was a 21 year old college student when he did it. It's taken years to go pnwmom Aug 2012 #35

Cry me a river Beaverhausen Aug 2012 #5

Most DUers are against draconian punishments. nt Incitatus Aug 2012 #7

So? Beaverhausen Aug 2012 #8

Just pointing out a fact. If you don't care about people getting screwed by the courts Incitatus Aug 2012 #11

I'm a musician. Beaverhausen Aug 2012 #16

Cry me a river. nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #17

Good for you. Incitatus Aug 2012 #22

Punishment should fit the crime x 100000 nt rDigital Aug 2012 #38

X 100K? Incitatus Aug 2012 #39

LOL, no that's not what I meant rDigital Aug 2012 #55

Yes, if it's a $100,000 candy bar Wednesdays Aug 2012 #102

What if it was a 100 Grand bar? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2012 #113

So am I and I say it's excessive. Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #23

Me, too. Iggo Aug 2012 #37

Do you get paid $22,000 every time a song you made sells? Scootaloo Aug 2012 #44

Not even a little. I assume you work for a label, so tell us, what were the gross sales figures for Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #60

Most musicians I know (myself included) have a lot more empathy than you are displaying here. Nostradammit Aug 2012 #63

So I guess Confusious Aug 2012 #70

So how much of that $22K per song has the RIAA given you? hobbit709 Aug 2012 #76

I'm a musician, too... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2012 #80

Musicians aren't getting the judgement monies obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #104

30 songs at 99 cent per download, pretty much. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #110

Actually it does just the opposite. I would be predisposed never to even buy your music now. Katashi_itto Aug 2012 #116

Seems like a pretty hard-nosed response. pa28 Aug 2012 #19

So is jaywalking, wickerwoman Aug 2012 #56

Frankly the RIAA should have gone after the sites that enable it. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #111

So's speeding, did you ever do it? Ter Aug 2012 #92

Do you have daddy issues? Have you considered therapy? backscatter712 Aug 2012 #96

This shows our legal system is a sick perversion of justice. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #10

Supported by some DUers. Cerridwen Aug 2012 #13

How many hypocrites support these laws but then listen to free music on the internet themselves? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #25

Everyone here who uses grooveshark may be guilty of a similar "crime". Occulus Aug 2012 #51

LOL limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #65

You have to give them credit, it took them over 30 years of constant effort Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #65

In the 80's and 90's we used to tape songs off the radio. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #73

Good morning. The replies were breeding while I slept. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #75

Right Wing Authoritarianism is a mental illness that has even infected DU posters. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #95

Can he file bankruptcy, and make this debt disappear? Skip Intro Aug 2012 #12

The new "bankruptcy reform" (thank you so much Hillary) rules make it much harder, but yes he can. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #15

How was Hillary responsible for bankruptcy reform? Skip Intro Aug 2012 #32

It was her baby as the freshman Senator from NY. And while she didn't actually cast a vote Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #57

Hillary Clinton did not write that bankruptcy bill. it was republican. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #112

She didn't write it, nor did she, in the end, vote on the final passage. She worked for three years Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #117

Congratulations, they've created another "enemy of the state". Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #14

Disgusting beyond belief. Anyone that supports bullshit like this... Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #18

The idiot kid is guilty no doubt. The fine is way to much. I would suggest $100 a song. Stealing.... Logical Aug 2012 #20

$100? He's paying damages, correct? Scootaloo Aug 2012 #45

No, if you steal you pay MORE because you stole. $100 a song sounds fair. n-t Logical Aug 2012 #81

Really? Wall Street tells me otherwise n/t Scootaloo Aug 2012 #83

Then let Obama know you are disappointed. So because no one sent them to jail allow all theft? Logical Aug 2012 #84

Some have 5,000 illegal songs Ter Aug 2012 #93

Your ass can still record music off the radio. Go for it. Just dont share it with millions of people Logical Aug 2012 #94

This isn't about me Ter Aug 2012 #98

You realize the radio stations pay money to play it don't you? Logical Aug 2012 #100

Why are videos on Youtube allowed? Ter Aug 2012 #115

This is for uploading them to where others copied them, not downloading muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #86

Not an idiot. This behavior was normal for most in his peer group. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #59

Well, idiot parents then. My kids KNOW not to use online music sharing sites because I know... Logical Aug 2012 #82

And Corzine is still free as a bird. nt tsuki Aug 2012 #24

and bush and cheny and their ilk are still free as a bird nt Confusious Aug 2012 #71

I will continue to download free music in protest. Alduin Aug 2012 #26

I don't like it and I feel bad for him, but he had to have known it was illegal... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #27

He's charged for what he did in 2005. You haven't used the services since 2006. pnwmom Aug 2012 #36

Well he did something I didn't do...he distributed. Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #40

I know I warned my kids as soon as I heard about this (in case they were doing it). pnwmom Aug 2012 #49

It definitely is... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #54

so, receiving and possessing stolen goods is A-ok by you then. uncle ray Aug 2012 #62

Yup...because that's what I said... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #67

Also, this goes beyond downloading...he was also distributing... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #29

These programs are designed so that as soon as you download a song it is shared. Incitatus Aug 2012 #30

I doubt it was just 31 songs... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #33

You seem stuck on the distribution point, so allow me to explain how it works. Occulus Aug 2012 #41

I know how it's done... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #43

Do you believe this dollar amount to be a justifiable punishment? Occulus Aug 2012 #47

No I don't. But it is and as much as it sucks, we've known they do these judgments for years now. Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #50

The RIAA can go fuck themselves. Initech Aug 2012 #31

"Recording Industry Succeeds In Ruining a Kid�s Life"?!? -..__... Aug 2012 #46

Actually, decent people blame you and those like you. Occulus Aug 2012 #48

Some of these people remind me of those that say lock up minor drug offendors Incitatus Aug 2012 #53

Nope, I blame the RIAA and the courts. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #58

The RIAA, the politicians it's bribed, and its lame apologists are to blame. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #72

Do they actually expect to collect any of that money? bluestateguy Aug 2012 #52

They expect to have him beaten down for life as an example to others Posteritatis Aug 2012 #91

yup BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #107

here is the judgement PDF file hollysmom Aug 2012 #64

So he was warned multiple times yet continued for 2 more years after a cease and desist letter True Earthling Aug 2012 #105

RIAA is stupid. According to EFF: qb Aug 2012 #74

How is this any worse than the War on (people who use) Drugs? Is the defendant white in this case? Romulox Aug 2012 #79

He should be fined, but not that much. That's just silly. gollygee Aug 2012 #85

I don't think Guerrilla Radio is a stupid song... egduj Aug 2012 #88

This is sick. The RIAA is evil. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #99

As a musician I find this appalling. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #101

agree BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #106