The Way We Were: This is inspired by the increased interest here and elsewhere

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25. Nope. She lies down. Puts her arm up somewhere. He leans over and snuggles her, puts his arm around

her, kisses her, starts kissing her, she brings her arm down to be around him somewhere.

Putting your arm up on the pillow is not a sexual move.

Get over it. You've lost this argument.

This is not what happens to women on a daily basis in the country. Girl gets drunk, passes out, guy climbs on top and has sex with her, while she's basically unconscious. That is rape.

The guy in Deliverance wasn't strapped to a tree.

No, the Katie-Hubbell scene is clearly not rape. He was the sex initiator, was NOT passsed out, and was ready for sex. The fact that he could initiated it and COULD get a hard on and complete the act (if that's what happened, which is the impression we're given) proves that he was not passed out or out of it. He simply couldn't remember the next day. Not an unusual occurrence when you get really drunk.

I've been out with a lot of men. They can, and do, initiate sex when they're rip roaring drunk. If anything, they're MORE apt to do that, when drunk. If Hubbell had not been drunk, he wouldn't have done that. But that doesn't mean SHE did it. She did not. And could not. It takes the man having a hard on and his participation to have sex. It does not take a woman's participation to have sex. That's just a biological fact.