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In reply to the discussion: "If we had confidence the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so" [View all]Politicub
(12,327 posts)96. It's not a question of moderation. You are promoting a false choice.
There is a case being made by very smart people in congress. Every day there are hearings to collect evidence to indict people in Trump's administration who are engaging in crimes and peddling in lies. A wheelbarrow of more evidence will be coming from the office of the special counsel.
This work is important. I don't understand the mentality of dismissing it out of hand and jumping to conclusions as you have in your post. Perhaps the petty criticisms of democrats comes from being willfully misinformed about the overwhelming volume of hearings about all aspects of this administration. So much has come to light in the few short months since the democrats regained power in the house. I can't even keep up with it all.
"Inaction has the effective result of enabling."
There is a lot of action going on. You just choose not to see it. If people want to stay misinformed, that's not my problem.
We can't mess this up. Impeachment is coming. The drums are getting louder daily. Try to listen and do something constructive rather than cast aspersions about the people who are out best hope to reign in this president.
They have one chance. One.
Ready.Fire.Aim. is a tactical approach; it's a seductive thought but it's not strategic. People put on the witness stand must be made to twist in the wind. They need to be hoisted by their own petards, so to speak, and be asked questions that they are not expecting. No mere mortal can run an effective hearing without gathering evidence and building an airtight case beforehand. And those who try, lose.
And building a case in this day and age requires a media strategy, too. A media blitz is happening as well. Are you paying attention? None of this is easy. Pelosi is staying on top of it all and using a lifetime of political experience and fact to continue pressing forward.
"...many apolitical Americans will think there is no evidence to impeach and it is all political posturing from the left, that is a losing message for our side in 2020 no matter how you dice it."
Indeed. That is what is being addressed as we speak. And I would say a losing message is perpetual criticism of democrats by people who should have our party's back; it has the effect of demoralizing people instead of attracting them.
Saying someone has committed a crime is worthless. Proving they committed a crime is difficult and takes care. Winning in the court of public opinion when an election for president is on the line -- and all that comes with it -- is more complexity than I can comprehend.
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"If we had confidence the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so" [View all]
Recursion
May 2019
OP
That's ultimately up to a jury, but anyone else would have at least been indicted.
tinrobot
May 2019
#35
Yes, that is it...What was said above.."...the president probably did a crime." Mueller's intent.
Stuart G
May 2019
#31
In other words, nothing new. We have already known that was his belief, what I wasn't sure is how
yaesu
May 2019
#15
I agree...I suspect that there "wasn't enough evidence" is what Mueller is saying.
Stuart G
May 2019
#27
OK...I agree with you..There was sufficient evidence for a crime! Rules prohibited charging Trump.
Stuart G
May 2019
#36
Report said same thing and even Barr's summary stated same. Unfortunately, still no Impeachment.
Hoyt
May 2019
#54
Gave it over 2 months -- Barr's letter 3/24/19, and Redacted Report April 17, 2019 said same thing.
Hoyt
May 2019
#67
None of the revelations before the election -- he's a buffoon, racist, liar, cad, etc. -- or after
Hoyt
May 2019
#74
I've been watching MSNBC and all of the "experts" are acting like Mueller said something new today.
Hoyt
May 2019
#70
The dotard is still screaming that he was exonerated none the less.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
May 2019
#68
Someone with knowledge please explain how a Senate trial will take place...we already know
SayItLoud
May 2019
#78
That was the line that struck me the most. In other words, "he committed a crime."
George II
May 2019
#79
The House Impeachment inquiry doesn't have to lead to a Senate Trial to be effective
neohippie
May 2019
#87