Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 07:51 AM Jun 2019

Argument not to impeach . . . is a move to normalize this behavior. [View all]

What they are saying when they try to convey that impeachment is too drastic a step, is that 'business as usual' must continue to go on and that this behavior is not alarming enough to move on it, not worth the effort. Bombs should be going off, alarms should be ringing, flares should be sent up. We cannot stand for behavior like this. There is no other consideration. If we are to survive, they need to act.
Our whole national history is one based on standing up for principle. It probably wasn't prudent for a bunch of upstarts to wage war against the dominant world power of the time, but we did. Maybe it wasn't within decorum for us to fight each other over slavery, but we did. I would like to see an article about the newspapers of the time to see if they were worrying about what would happen in the next election if they fought over freeing the slaves. I bet it never occurred to them. They had a principle that they thought could not be stepped over, and the fought and DIED for that principle.
We have a mini dictator in chief, trying to take over our system and some apparently couldn't be bothered. People died for the principles we are founded on and there are people in congress who not only won't physically fight but they don't want to lose their job. Boo hoo.
It makes no sense, they seem to have no perspective there about who we are.

93 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I couldn't have said it better! You are 1000 percent correct Meadowoak Jun 2019 #1
And what sort of behavior will be normalized if Trump wins again and has the house too pray tell. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #72
No reason to think impeachment would lead to that Bradical79 Jun 2019 #91
Absolutely. honest.abe Jun 2019 #2
Well said. K&R DLevine Jun 2019 #3
Nonsense...with the do nothing senate in place...it will do nothing except hurt us politically. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #4
That is the question. If we impeach, and the Senate doesn't convict, will the public realize that still_one Jun 2019 #6
I agree with you metroins Jun 2019 #9
No evidence to support your fear based defeatism. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #28
Here's the evidence: George II Jun 2019 #65
The assertion was "impeachment will backfire" Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #66
What? metroins Jun 2019 #71
Impeach and beat him at the ballot box hot2na Jun 2019 #53
We shouldn't charge cops who murder innocent unarmed people because the jury might not convict. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #13
Thank you JustAnotherGen Jun 2019 #17
Yes, and we shouldn't have fought after Pearl Harbor because we didn't know the Atom bomb would be Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #29
This "jury" has no justice in it treestar Jun 2019 #61
Make their position untenable. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #64
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #67
Apples and oranges...impeachment is political but not criminal...but the true analogy is if Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #73
Your "we can't" attitude is why we lose. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #79
we have 40 moderates who gave us the house who are up for reelection...many if not most from red Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #89
The conundrum is that we can't know that. We are in uncharted territory. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #15
No evidence to support your assertion, only fear based defeatism. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #27
Why risk it? He will be out in a a year and a half...doubt we could finish impeachment ...what is Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #74
Around here, we won the Congress to impeach and or stop, the president. Chin music Jun 2019 #76
No we didn't. We won on health care...and a general dislike of Trump. Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #85
That's a warm cup of coco. Chin music Jun 2019 #87
Why risk not doing it? Gore1FL Jun 2019 #81
You are dreaming...what will happen if we will lose the house and the presidency...look at Senate Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #84
You are a being a political chicken little. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #92
The definition of courage is acting despite fear Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #83
I fear losing the 2020 election and sending a Republican congress back in 20... Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #86
Why would having the Dems not do their jobs change this outcome. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #93
Would love to hear the argument for that statement Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #30
False dichotomy, senate not needed to follow constitution and hurt Trump/republicans uponit7771 Jun 2019 #69
It hurts us not the Senate if we lose 2020 ...both the presidency and the house and for what so a Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #75
Person and Party of the impeached does not fare well on controlling gov post impeachment uponit7771 Jun 2019 #77
If we do nothing, we will lose the house anyway. Meadowoak Jun 2019 #78
And we would deserve to. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #82
Not if he gets a Republican congress and wins again...there is no appetite for impeachment...there Demsrule86 Jun 2019 #88
Person and party of the impeached hasn't fared well post impeachment process for 3 different ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #90
NONSENSE Skittles Jun 2019 #80
If Trump is impeached, and the Senate doesn't convict, is the American public intelligent enough to still_one Jun 2019 #5
No. But those in Trump's corner won't change their minds (if they even care that he's corrupt). Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #26
On your second point you and I are in agreement, which is why I see still_one Jun 2019 #57
2 things ..the senate has already stated they will not convict no matter what he has done. Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #34
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2019 #70
Why don't we quit beating around the bush? watoos Jun 2019 #7
Pelosi has never wanted impeachment for anyone. She's made her thoughts on that clear: Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18
+1 n/t area51 Jun 2019 #68
Perspective. Let's see, losing our constitution or . . . . .? pdsimdars Jun 2019 #37
i agree, but patience, grasshopper. mopinko Jun 2019 #8
Those arguments are projections. Opening an impeachment inquiry IS the process to gather facts. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #38
i really dont think it is a matter of IF, but of WHEN. mopinko Jun 2019 #41
With such precision you write..please create an OP for your comment... asiliveandbreathe Jun 2019 #40
If lying about a blowjob ends up in impeachment... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #10
It's funny how the Rs actually look for and create fights -- like the endless investigations KPN Jun 2019 #25
The "I" word for now should be investigation of crimes committed. Lonestarblue Jun 2019 #11
+1000 wryter2000 Jun 2019 #21
There's almost zero chance of indictment while he's in office. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #22
Yea, Saudis dismembers a journalist in their embassy in Turkey, too much trouble to pursue them pdsimdars Jun 2019 #42
Reality. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #46
Wasn't Muellers investigation the investigation? TCJ70 Jun 2019 #33
Does Trump's behavior meet the criteria for HIGH CRIMES and misdemeanors? Martin Eden Jun 2019 #12
Your examples of standing for principle were resolved by war, not impeachment. Just saying. KPN Jun 2019 #14
The Constitution is under an assault just as dangerous as any war. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #32
I don't disagree at all. I was simply making an observation. One that I think may ultimately KPN Jun 2019 #39
But I meant, they were willing to DIE for their principles and we are afraid to lose seats. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #44
Understood. I was just making an observation. There's some irony in your examples in KPN Jun 2019 #54
Every time he is questioned on the lawn normalizes his behavior. gordianot Jun 2019 #16
No it is not wryter2000 Jun 2019 #19
There is no guarantee that "the most effective way of removing him" as you say will be successful. KPN Jun 2019 #43
The only way to remove him from office before 2024 is to beat him in 2020 wryter2000 Jun 2019 #50
I disagree about the only way. You are making assumptions that an impeachment inquiry will not KPN Jun 2019 #56
Never, ever will they convict wryter2000 Jun 2019 #59
That's okay. You lost me too. I didn't say they will convict, in fact, I said "chances are they KPN Jun 2019 #62
You are absolutely correct. warmfeet Jun 2019 #20
If the shoe were on the other foot, would the Repubs impeach? Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #24
Not only that, but they consolidated control via bald-faced nefarious means over the next 12 years KPN Jun 2019 #48
Yikes. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #55
The Rs are waging a war against the Ds whether we know it or not. Meanwhile, we KPN Jun 2019 #58
Rachel Maddow brought up the question whether McConnell is involved at all. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #49
The wrecking ball is swinging.. full speed ahead with trumpshit.. mountain grammy Jun 2019 #23
Let's just simply. Do the right thing. Impeach. c-rational Jun 2019 #31
That's all that needs to be said for the clear minded. But others don't seem to get it. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #51
As far as I can tell, no Democrat, NOT ONE, is arguing against impeachment. beastie boy Jun 2019 #35
Exactly..."don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes" comes to mind... asiliveandbreathe Jun 2019 #45
To impeach or not to impeach Joediss Jun 2019 #36
I tell you, this is the way a lot of regular people are thinking. In the beltway they seem muddled pdsimdars Jun 2019 #52
YESSSSS!!!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #47
I find many reactions by leaders Ponietz Jun 2019 #60
K&R onecaliberal Jun 2019 #63
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Argument not to impeach ....