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friend of m and j

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71. I think the majority of the people in this country don't know what is in the Mueller Report.
Sun Jun 2, 2019, 01:58 AM
Jun 2019

They are surprised when someone tells them Trumps misdeeds and crimes that are laid out in the report. The people have to understand and be informed about what is going on. If they are not informed they will think Dems are bad guys going after Trump by filling Articles of Impeachment. In today's world the only way to inform them is through television. Television is not going to cover it in depth if the star witnesses are not testifying.

This article doesn't tell us how to get those witnesses to testify. A resolution of contempt of Congress will be litigated in the courts and be a long drawn out procedure.

Congressman Lloyd Doggett from Texas serves on the Ways and Means Committee, the Budget Committee, and the Joint Committee on Taxation and has served in the House since his election in 1994, He is pushing for the committees to use it's "inherent contempt" power to get the recalcitrant witness and agencies into the committee hearings. Under that concept a Congressional Committee Chairman can hold a witness who will not obey a valid subpoena in contempt instead of going to court and asking a judge to hold the witness in contempt. That power is "inherent" in the Committee's power to hold the hearings. The Chairman can order the Sargent at Arms of the House to use handcuffs if necessary to bring that witness to the Capitol and detain (jail) him until the Committee reschedules his testimony.

I think I posted something a while back about when I worked for Congressman Jack Brooks (served 42 years in the House) and and at the time I am talking about he was Chairman of the Government Operations Committee. Everyone who had been in or around the Capitol for very long were afraid of Mr. B. Shortly after Reagan's election Mr. B had some questions he wanted to ask David Stockman, Reagan's newly installed Secr. of the Treasury and scheduled him to testify before his committee (by subpoena I guess). Reagan's people were not familiar with Mr. B and his reputation for ripping a witness apart if he couldn't get straight answers from him. Stockman didn't show for the hearing and as Mr. B waited for him (chomping on his cigar which was always stuck in the side of his mouth) getting madder and madder by the minute. After about 30 minutes waiting he told the Sargent at Arms to take his handcuffs and drag that SOB over here to the Capitol and lock him up until I have time to reschedule him. It didn't take long before Mr. B got a call from stockman's office saying "The Secretary apologizes for his tardiness but was delayed dealing with some very important matters". Stockman showed up about 15 minutes later.

I didn't know anything about "inherent" contempt at that time. I just thought Mr. B had just lost his temper and wouldn't have been surprised if he had gone with the Sargant at Arms to bring Stockman back. But Mr. B knew what he was doing and that he had the authority. In fact I didn't know about a "inherent" contempt order until Congressman Doggett talked about it on Rahel Maddow show.

It is rerely used and is not the normal procedure for finding someone in contempt of Congress, but considering how the Republicans and Trump want to play the game and not follow "norms", I think it is time we pulled some non-norm tools out of the tool Box that Nancy is always talking about.

A voice of reason in the wilderness watoos Jun 2019 #1
Sadly, wishful thinking is not reason. Wouldn't it be wonderful Hortensis Jun 2019 #40
Excellent post!! Let's impeach the lyin' traitor already... history won't wait much longer! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #2
We owe it to the future to impeach this asshole now. diverdownjt Jun 2019 #69
Reasonable reasoning! northoftheborder Jun 2019 #3
You make a good argument, and retaking the Senate would be huge. n/t Hoyt Jun 2019 #4
Lay out the case in public Bettie Jun 2019 #5
Exactly! Maher's panel agreed with you. Duppers Jun 2019 #20
I agree for all the same reasons htuttle Jun 2019 #6
This might just work.... FM123 Jun 2019 #7
Absolutely! brutus smith Jun 2019 #35
Is that you Spock? nt G_j Jun 2019 #8
It's a far stronger argument against them if they clear him in the Senate... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #9
Agree 100%. We're looking like wimps; too afraid to start. sinkingfeeling Jun 2019 #10
K&R... spanone Jun 2019 #11
Agreed but the main reason to impeach is to get the attention of the masses. honest.abe Jun 2019 #12
100% agreed. Thank you sharedvalues Jun 2019 #13
Absolutely NRaleighLiberal Jun 2019 #14
Kick dalton99a Jun 2019 #15
I totally agree. world wide wally Jun 2019 #16
Exactly right Ligyron Jun 2019 #17
Convincing argument. The impact on senate elections wasn't something I had considered. Politicub Jun 2019 #18
I really think . . . Richard D Jun 2019 #19
Amash got a standing ovation watoos Jun 2019 #21
Moscow Mitch. mwooldri Jun 2019 #22
I was wondering that myself. How big a wrench can he throw into the works? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #27
That is my main concern, and I am for impeaching. pangaia Jun 2019 #76
While I see the danger, I also think the best way forward is to impeach LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2019 #24
K&R Thanks for emphasizing those points. alwaysinasnit Jun 2019 #25
A great big ol' K & R! 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #26
Which is why Pelosi is waiting aeromanKC Jun 2019 #28
If the Republicans "obstruct" directly or indirectly the Senate trail of Trump Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #31
If we win the Senate, there will be a Democratic leader---not Mitch! Doitnow Jun 2019 #41
and another K & R Nevermypresident Jun 2019 #29
I TOTALLY AGREE!!! WestCoastDem42 Jun 2019 #30
Also, looking strictly at the numbers.... kentuck Jun 2019 #32
Totally agree. pdsimdars Jun 2019 #33
Absolutely agree. warmfeet Jun 2019 #34
Very good perspective. 👍 sprinkleeninow Jun 2019 #36
+1 entirely agree! JackInGreen Jun 2019 #37
i think we don't know. barbtries Jun 2019 #38
Thank you. Well said. mountain grammy Jun 2019 #39
That has been my thought too. LiberalFighter Jun 2019 #42
agreed and kicked superpatriotman Jun 2019 #43
Well, I will say this: Cowardice or excuse-making won't even hold us the House. calimary Jun 2019 #44
well said n/t orleans Jun 2019 #54
Great points! I agree. Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #58
Agree with almost everything, except the "FUCK 'em!" part rufus dog Jun 2019 #68
. calimary Jun 2019 #78
"face the anger of Trump's core Republican followers to remove Trump from office" lambchopp59 Jun 2019 #45
I agree. I think we're fumbling away our chance to energize independent voters who didn't jalan48 Jun 2019 #46
My thoughts as well.... paleotn Jun 2019 #47
Yup. That's my thinking, too. Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #60
Absolute agree! rusty fender Jun 2019 #48
Exactly. mnhtnbb Jun 2019 #49
Sounds reasonable. In any event Dems showing some guts in dealing with scumbag would be refreshing. mart48 Jun 2019 #50
Great read Lunabell Jun 2019 #51
Totally agree: Make the R Sens' vote against impeachment defeat them in purple states. stuffmatters Jun 2019 #52
That's why I think impeachment should be timed to take place just before the election. backscatter712 Jun 2019 #53
I agree grantcart Jun 2019 #55
I'm an impeachment flip flopper. But I think this might be the best strategy. Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #56
K & R! A Higher, Bolder and More Enlightened Way of Political Reasoning About Impeachment! panfluteman Jun 2019 #57
I whole-heartedly agree! Silver Gaia Jun 2019 #59
I fully agree patphil Jun 2019 #61
I believe you're ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! ElementaryPenguin Jun 2019 #62
We have to confront reality: we don't know the effect of a paper impeachment. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #63
I'm of the mind that it will be a neutral effect. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #65
Right On! I've been saying this all along. rgbecker Jun 2019 #64
Agreed great points to consider kimbutgar Jun 2019 #66
I'm ready to roll those dice... Blue Owl Jun 2019 #67
Tom, thank you saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #70
I think the majority of the people in this country don't know what is in the Mueller Report. friend of m and j Jun 2019 #71
Thanks for sharing this, friend. And welcome to DU! nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #73
I fully agree with your intro Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #79
Great post. Thanks, Tom! nt pnwmom Jun 2019 #72
Once there are televised hearings with witnesses DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #74
That was true with Nixon, who won 49 states in the 1972 election and over 60% of the popular vote Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #80
Yes. Thank you. D23MIURG23 Jun 2019 #75
Yes roscoeroscoe Jun 2019 #77
EXACTLY. Doing what's right brings public witness to what leadership IS. They'll vote accordingly. ancianita Jun 2019 #81
It's about timing. Dem leadership needs to act when the public questions its leadership, not later. ancianita Jun 2019 #82
"Make America America Again" I like it! n/t Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #83
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