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NewJeffCT

(56,848 posts)
54. No, they're not distorting the meaning
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 09:39 PM
Jun 2019

They're numbers - unemployment was low the last few years under Obama and gotten lower under Trump. Did the numbers suddenly become suspect under Trump? No - he's been lucky to have inherited an economy that was moving in the right direction and his policies will have long-term consequences that aren't showing up yet.

The GDP is growing because we're borrowing more than we spend by $2 trillion this fiscal year.

Job creation has been decent, but nothing special, but Trump drives the narrative saying it's great and the media runs with it...


The article from vice points out that a lot of workers have been left behind over the course of decades - so, while Trump has made the problems worse, it's not visibly all that much worse than it was 5-10-15 years ago. Again, as above, the worst consequences are going to be felt in the longer-term as these workers lose health benefits, have lower wages and then will have less gutted Social Security and Medicare benefits to fall back on in the future.

And, you will need to explain your "bad economy" position to 90% of the Democratic pundits out there - almost every time I turn on the TV and there is a Democrat and Trumpster debating, it goes like this:

Trumpster talking head: "Democrats are making up scandals to distract from the great economy!"
Democrat: "Yes, the economy is doing well, but..."

and, nobody hears anything past the "but..." - Democrats have not been able to get in front of the narrative on the economy and have let Trump write the story on the economy.





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this is the non-indictment, non-impeachment effect. unblock Jun 2019 #1
Exactly. This is not gldstwmn Jun 2019 #9
This. Tipperary Jun 2019 #19
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2019 #59
That's the power of incumbency for you. Locutusofborg Jun 2019 #2
It is a powerful force customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #57
No ScratchCat Jun 2019 #3
They're trying to keep it a horse race Butterflylady Jun 2019 #32
Over half of Americans thought Hillary would win in 2016. (n/t) forgotmylogin Jun 2019 #53
Exactly. Polls with "all Americans" in their claims are ...baloney. Guilded Lilly Jun 2019 #39
Incumbents usually do win Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #4
But they haven't always won. LiberalFighter Jun 2019 #30
Only incumbents that do a decent job Butterflylady Jun 2019 #34
G w bush Fullduplexxx Jun 2019 #37
+10000 Celerity Jun 2019 #46
If the Katrina debacle had happened one year earlier misanthrope Jun 2019 #61
Bush? qazplm135 Jun 2019 #52
This is depressing. Shell_Seas Jun 2019 #5
Gee, MAYBE if M$M reported more honestly about the "great" economy, his numbers would poll BeckyDem Jun 2019 #6
Good luck with that wish. guillaumeb Jun 2019 #8
The media normally reports the unemployment rates, GDP growth, NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #31
They distort the meaning because they believe their audience is too stupid? BeckyDem Jun 2019 #50
No, they're not distorting the meaning NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #54
They're not giving context. BeckyDem Jun 2019 #55
The media hasn't been giving context since before Reagan NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #65
Consolidation of media has only grown worse too. BeckyDem Jun 2019 #68
My son-in-law has been "guaranteeing it" for months. Glad I don't see him much. dameatball Jun 2019 #7
It could be that this fucker's existence in general puts everyone in a pessimistic mood. BlueStater Jun 2019 #10
Bullsh*t The River Jun 2019 #11
SSRS was the pollster, not CNN. A- rated by Nate Silver! Nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #21
If Trump wins again, the Presidency is effectively meaningless. ego_nation Jun 2019 #12
Expecting that the incumbent will wn Locutusofborg Jun 2019 #13
It isn't but people like to vote for a winner. former9thward Jun 2019 #45
Trump as President IS a highly unusual event. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #48
a more pessimistic view? G_j Jun 2019 #14
Boy...bet all of a sudden CNN won't be Trump's FAKE NEWS whipping boy.......... Bengus81 Jun 2019 #15
When I briefly switch to CNN, seems they are doing distortions to normalize this traitorous monster. triron Jun 2019 #16
Democrats and Du'ers who poo-poo this are not being realistic. llmart Jun 2019 #17
Agree. Tipperary Jun 2019 #20
+1000 RelativelyJones Jun 2019 #27
WTF? RUSSIA installed this guy. Why is that always ignored in these 'polls'?. Buncha shit. Chin music Jun 2019 #28
Mueller did not say what you said he did. former9thward Jun 2019 #47
that's how Trump keeps "winning" NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #33
As it stands today sarisataka Jun 2019 #18
Okay... then why do his state by state polls keep sinking Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #22
I certainly believe he could win. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #23
This is all propaganda. The House needs to continue to investigate. rockfordfile Jun 2019 #24
We're missing the point here tgards79 Jun 2019 #25
Better to fight as if you are 7 points down and 20 yards to go marylandblue Jun 2019 #26
Yessss!!!!!!! tgards79 Jun 2019 #29
Who did CNN poll? It certainly wasn't me. Anyone else get polled? Hmm like to know. YOHABLO Jun 2019 #35
Your answer is in the first sentence of the OP... DonViejo Jun 2019 #40
That's not surprising at all. Captain Stern Jun 2019 #36
Define 'WIN' nini Jun 2019 #38
As long as the economy doesn't crash they may be right nt doc03 Jun 2019 #41
Well, he hasn't been impeached, so maybe he isn't doing anything wrong... NightWatcher Jun 2019 #42
Meh, way too early treestar Jun 2019 #43
Horseshit. spanone Jun 2019 #44
A poll 17 months before an election is practically meaningless EffieBlack Jun 2019 #49
He will never WIN. Doreen Jun 2019 #51
Kiss the country good bye bdamomma Jun 2019 #56
Good. Let the trumpers think he has it in the bag. ecstatic Jun 2019 #58
That's one of the stupidest comments I've heard lunatica Jun 2019 #60
After the Persian Golf War George H W Bush was supposed to win a second term easily Norbert Jun 2019 #62
Of course half of those who believe he will win also believe the election will be stolen for him. Vinca Jun 2019 #63
All of the TV people want a horse race. It's ratings, man. Liberal In Texas Jun 2019 #64
In 1991 NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #66
If only 50% believed that Obama would be re-elected after the death of Osama-bin Laden, sarabelle Jun 2019 #67
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