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hlthe2b

(102,745 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:34 PM Jun 2019

(WAPO) Laurence Tribe: Impeach Trump. But don't necessarily try him in the Senate. [View all]

This opinion piece from Prof. Tribe is getting a lot of positive attention. Worth reading and considering. Since WAPO is behind a paywall, I'll include as much as I can, but perhaps others with access can fill in what is missing:

Laurence H. Tribe is the University Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard and the coauthor, most recently, of “To End a Presidency: The Power of Impeachment.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/impeach-trump-but-dont-necessarily-try-him-in-the-senate/2019/06/05/22d83672-87bc-11e9-a870-b9c411dc4312_story.html?utm_term=.cb1ddd556bed

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But to think of the House of Representatives as akin to a prosecutor or grand jury is misguided. The Constitution’s design suggests a quite different allocation of functions: The Senate, unlike any petit (or trial) jury, is legally free to engage in politics in arriving at its verdict. And the House, unlike any grand jury, can conduct an impeachment inquiry that ends with a verdict and not just a referral to the Senate for trial — an inquiry in which the target is afforded an opportunity to participate and mount a full defense.

Take, for instance, the 1974 investigation of President Richard M. Nixon when the House gave the president the opportunity to refute the charges against him either personally or through counsel and with additional fact witnesses. (Nixon chose to appear only through his attorney, James D. St. Clair.) Following its impeachment proceedings, the House Judiciary Committee drafted particularized findings less in the nature of accusations to be assessed by the Senate — which of course never weighed in, given Nixon’s resignation — than in the nature of determinations of fact and law and verdicts of guilt to be delivered by the House itself, expressly stating that the president was indeed guilty as charged.
It seems fair to surmise, then, that an impeachment inquiry conducted with ample opportunity for the accused to defend himself before a vote by the full House would be at least substantially protected, even if not entirely bullet-proofed, against a Senate whitewash.

The House, assuming an impeachment inquiry leads to a conclusion of Trump’s guilt, could choose between presenting articles of impeachment even to a Senate pre-committed to burying them and dispensing with impeachment as such while embodying its conclusions of criminality or other grave wrongdoing in a condemnatory “Sense of the House” resolution far stronger than a mere censure. The resolution, expressly and formally proclaiming the president impeachable but declining to play the Senate’s corrupt game, is one that even a president accustomed to treating everything as a victory would be hard-pressed to characterize as a vindication. (A House resolution finding the president “impeachable” but imposing no actual legal penalty would avoid the Constitution’s ban on Bills of Attainder, despite its deliberately stigmatizing character as a “Scarlet ‘I’?” that Trump would have to take with him into his reelection campaign.)


Some of the twitter comments on this editorial/proposal:
















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The House could find guilt or censure, Senate referral if removal is sought bigbrother05 Jun 2019 #1
Wow. Laurence Tribe, he is really something! He has definitely given us food for thought.... FM123 Jun 2019 #2
Tweet this to Speaker Pelosi! Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #3
Lol. They know. Of course. Hortensis Jun 2019 #8
Brilliant. Don't think the House would do something so unprecedented. Nevilledog Jun 2019 #4
Really? Frankly, every impeachment involves something Hortensis Jun 2019 #9
Don't get me wrong. It is a brilliant proposition. Nevilledog Jun 2019 #15
Sure. Tribe's not the first one to bring this up, though, and Hortensis Jun 2019 #19
First time I had seen the proposal. Guess Tribe gets more visibility. Nevilledog Jun 2019 #25
Tribe's visibility is very useful. As you say, Hortensis Jun 2019 #32
Yup. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #14
Really? You say that? While the House is led by the UNPRECEDENTED Nancy Pelosi, first woman? Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #16
Unprecedented proceedings. Has nothing to do with the genitals of any House member. Nevilledog Jun 2019 #17
:) Irrefutable repost. Unless you consider Hortensis Jun 2019 #23
I think this is a great idea! Poiuyt Jun 2019 #5
I think that eventually impeachment will occur after Dem's get those financial documents. Fall is UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #6
Let Spanky keep making mistakes, a la, " I didn't know about the Russians fierywoman Jun 2019 #31
If we do this, I want to be able to watch McConnell hyperventilate world wide wally Jun 2019 #7
Turtle's Ultimate Respiratory Distress Zambero Jun 2019 #12
Thread winner. MontanaMama Jun 2019 #26
no shit. barbtries Jun 2019 #35
I want to be able to watch *him* be tried. JudyM Jun 2019 #42
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Jun 2019 #10
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #11
Sounds like a good strategy. I suspect Nancy Pelosi is edging towards this decision. Princetonian Jun 2019 #13
Devin Nunes could be Trump's defense in the House "trial." displacedtexan Jun 2019 #18
Farmer Devin versus Adam Schiff, former US attorney and NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #22
Most interesting! This may be a way to "thread the needle." calimary Jun 2019 #20
Best Plan of All. Mad respect to Lawrence Tribe. stuffmatters Jun 2019 #21
I thought this was the plan all along as there was no way the fascists would ever help. nt yaesu Jun 2019 #24
BRILLIANT!! Best idea i've heard since Nov. 2016 onetexan Jun 2019 #27
however, if the pResident was smart... and we know he isn't lapfog_1 Jun 2019 #28
Brilliant Progressive2020 Jun 2019 #29
Intriguing idea wryter2000 Jun 2019 #30
Brilliant! Quemado Jun 2019 #33
The only part of this that I take exception to onenote Jun 2019 #34
Walter Dellinger & Claire McCaskell discussing Tribe's piece with Chris Hayes (MSNBC) now hlthe2b Jun 2019 #36
as of now, no Senate whitewash needed Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #37
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Read the actual piece. This might well be the approach that could break through hlthe2b Jun 2019 #38
i did read it Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #39
If I'm reading this correctly, a House verdict is "for show," it has no actual legal consequence. CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #40
Has no legal consequence regardless. Only post-Presidency charges and trial in civilian courts can hlthe2b Jun 2019 #41
DO IT. It would eat at 45 the rest of his miserable life. VOX Jun 2019 #43
Tribe will be on AM Joy Saturday (6/8/19) to discuss hlthe2b Jun 2019 #44
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