Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

DFW

(60,731 posts)
34. Of course we do. Like I said--in the States they like to tell stories of Fantasyland
Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:28 PM
Jun 2019

A hundred years ago in Europe, legend had it that the streets of America were paved with gold, too.

During the 2016 campaign, some (purportedly, anyway) Sanders supporters on DU were going on about how everything is "free" over here, as if there were endless quantities of money from endless taxes on endless rich people to pay for endless programs that made life here some kind of paradise on earth. The money was, of course, carefully distributed by pure-minded government workers with nothing but the good of the people in their hearts. About the only thing they DIDN'T claim was to have seen the Great Pumpkin rise on Halloween.

There is a reason the consulates of Germany, the Netherlands, and the Scandinavian countries do NOT have two miles lines at each one with Americans desperate to emmigrate there. Besides that, there is always the language issue. Yes, most people here speak more English than average American speak foreign languages. But to LIVE here, and be accepted into society, you can no more integrate into Germany or Holland (and get a residence permit) speaking only English than you can integrate into Dallas speaking only German or only Dutch.

There IS no paradise on earth, not even here in Western Europe. You are absolutely correct: each country here has its own problems. One of my wife's best friends has suffered from mental illness for decades. She lives off a meager pension, in a tiny apartment in the basement of a building in Essen (Ruhr), and always runs out of food money at the end of each month. My wife often helps out--with money I give her. My wife's pension, for decades of social work that she went to college to master, is all of €850 a month--less than $1000. Now at over 65, she is covered by the German version of Medicare. I make up for that of course, but many millions more here in Germany do not. The train stations here are full, besides the foreigners, of Germans who fell through the cracks, and are begging for coffee money.

Most of the people do get by, of course--just like most Americans do. But nothing here is for free. What there is, SOMEBODY paid for, somehow or other. Doctors and college professors don't work for free here any more than they do in the USA.

Thank you for realizing that no country here in Europe is some kind of paradise from Li'l Abner. I have seen the stories on the political boards in the States. Some people make wild distortions of reality for their own purposes, and like Fox Noise, hope that no one fact checks them on them (or only try to appeal to people will believe them blindly in the first place).

You are spot on that you always hear stories in the States about Europe. They are all too often just that: stories. "I have a friend who got a heart attack in Frankfurt, and he was treated and cured for free, and given a free college education in English to boot, out of the good of their system." Or some such nonsense. Like I said, this is not the Valley of the Shmoon.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

The Netherlands is not a socialist country. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #1
Well said Miigwech Jun 2019 #4
Those countries have ownership just like we do, except that they have more of it, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #5
True Miigwech Jun 2019 #7
Yes, but it's still not socialism. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #9
That is not correct Jeroen Jun 2019 #15
I don't know which Netherlands you mean, but it's not the one in Europe DFW Jun 2019 #17
Fantasy land no, who said that? Miigwech Jun 2019 #46
You reported a minimum wage DFW Jun 2019 #47
"ben" not "bent" Ron Obvious Jun 2019 #54
Tricky--if I were asking a question, you would be correct. DFW Jun 2019 #55
It should be "bent" according to the rule Ron Obvious Jun 2019 #56
Plus, the Dutch tend not to pronounce consonants at the end of a word to begin with DFW Jun 2019 #57
Alright. We'll call it a draw. Ron Obvious Jun 2019 #58
Agreed DFW Jun 2019 #59
It would be nice if we had a system Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #2
Agreed, we SHOULD DFW Jun 2019 #18
Germany doesn't have universal coverage? Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #20
Hardly! DFW Jun 2019 #22
Wow that's surprising to me. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #23
Of course we do. Like I said--in the States they like to tell stories of Fantasyland DFW Jun 2019 #34
Thanks for your post! Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #38
German has a more complicated grammar than Dutch or Scandinavian, but it is far more widely spoken DFW Jun 2019 #41
I'm having a hell of a hard time with German grammar! Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #43
You can easily memorize the dative prepositions by singing them to The Blue Danube. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #45
Norwegian and Swedish (essentially the same anyway) are the insider's tip for learning a language DFW Jun 2019 #48
There are quirks, of course. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #50
The word order oddities become instinctive after a while DFW Jun 2019 #51
I thought of trying to learn Icelandic just for giggles; The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #52
Get a copy of the old film "Pathfinder." DFW Jun 2019 #53
OMG, how do they ever even know what time it is in Denmark? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #61
I found a movie in Sami called "Pathfinder" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #62
Yes, I know what Sami is. DFW Jun 2019 #63
But can you *speak* Sami? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #64
No props for Sami, I'm afraid DFW Jun 2019 #65
Spanish has a more linear sentence structure than German. DFW Jun 2019 #49
The D-Day commemoration sparked a thought in me. Yavin4 Jun 2019 #3
Well Pearl Harbor was unforeseen FakeNoose Jun 2019 #24
Unforeseen by whom ? eppur_se_muova Jun 2019 #32
I have been in Amsterdam KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #6
May I ask ... when were you last in Amsterdam ? Miigwech Jun 2019 #8
I love Amsterdam, the first city I ever visited in Europe. When I visited in the early 1990s, it deurbano Jun 2019 #12
2018 KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #66
I am trying to figure out how we had such different Miigwech Jun 2019 #69
I have also been in Amsterdam and experienced nothing like that. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #10
Me either. I used to travel regularly to Netherlands on business, ooky Jun 2019 #11
I have a friend who had an unfortunate accident in LibDemAlways Jun 2019 #13
Key phrase there DFW Jun 2019 #21
Wow! FakeNoose Jun 2019 #25
I'd like to hear the argument saying a 16 year old with heart cancer had a pre-existing condition DFW Jun 2019 #35
Your sense of Holland is based on Amsterdam? a la izquierda Jun 2019 #19
I love Utrecht DFW Jun 2019 #36
I can read Dutch slowly but surely... a la izquierda Jun 2019 #68
I said Amsterdam. KentuckyWoman Jun 2019 #67
But don't they have cancer-causing windmills there? tclambert Jun 2019 #14
Yes, but you needn't worry DFW Jun 2019 #37
You can also play this game with Thyla Jun 2019 #16
Although I have traveled a bit, I have not made it to Amsterdam, and I should, because ... planetc Jun 2019 #26
There is no Utopia and nothing is free. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #27
Last I visited Amsterdam, I was extremely outraged and upset. NNadir Jun 2019 #28
It's called the Red Light District, or De Wallen. OliverQ Jun 2019 #30
My feeling is that it must represent, in many cases, human slavery. NNadir Jun 2019 #31
Prostitution is legal and regulated in the Netherlands but they are concerned The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #33
One of my coworkers is from the Netherlands. He's moving back this summer. OliverQ Jun 2019 #29
Does the Dutch Government do a better job brewing Heineken or Amstel? brooklynite Jun 2019 #39
Out of curiosity, why do you feel the need to defend the term "socialism" brooklynite Jun 2019 #40
That's the point I'm trying to make, too. Trying to defend "socialism" The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #42
Very true. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #44
That's why it's funny when Americans say that America is the best country in the world. Oneironaut Jun 2019 #60
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»My wish for all Americans...»Reply #34