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Recursion

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Tue Jun 18, 2019, 12:50 AM Jun 2019

If I'm single and childless and make $15/hour [View all]

in most of the country except the absolute most expensive urban cores I'd be doing pretty well. I could rent a studio or a 1BR in most "normal" markets and have some beer money left over.

If I'm a single parent of 2 children, $15/hour is going to be hard to live on. For one thing, I'd need to rent a three bedroom apartment, and $15/hour is not going to be enough for that.

So should the minimum wage be higher, enough to rent a 3 bedroom apartment? But then the single childless person would be able to afford a 3 bedroom apartment, and would probably like the extra space. We don't have enough 3 bedroom apartments built, so the single parent gets priced out.

Should only people with children get the higher minimum wage? That seems problematic too, both because nobody will want to hire people with children if they cost more, and because the politics are going to be just awful particularly when race comes into play.

Should childless people be restricted from renting multiple-bedroom apartments? This is what a lot of central Europe does; you can't just "rent an apartment", there's a housing board and you have to justify that you're using it to capacity.

I don't know the answer I just think by focusing simply on wages we're only looking at one part of the problem. Elizabeth Warren wrote about this in her book "The Two Income Trap", and I don't really know that there's a solution: if e.g. childless couples and couples with children are bidding on the same housing stock, then everybody household is going to wind up having to have both parents working because the price gets bid up.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #1
The yellow vests? Oh God no. They are populist/fascist scum Recursion Jun 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #3
They had an "apocalyptic" joint riot on May Day Recursion Jun 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #5
That was either Nice or Marseille Recursion Jun 2019 #6
It's often a sticky question here in Europe, too DFW Jun 2019 #7
My experience was in Vienna where construction is basically fixed Recursion Jun 2019 #8
A single parent with two boys or two girls could put them into the same room. pnwmom Jun 2019 #9
I'm curious how many unused bedrooms there are in hot markets Recursion Jun 2019 #10
Unfortunately in many hot markets there is a mismatch right now pnwmom Jun 2019 #11
The building of affordable homes is a very important issue tymorial Jun 2019 #14
I knew a family with 5 kids that lived in a 2 BR home. Kaleva Jun 2019 #22
This is what a tax, tax credits and benefits system is for muriel_volestrangler Jun 2019 #12
I think that's a good way to look at it Recursion Jun 2019 #13
They really have "housing boards" fescuerescue Jun 2019 #15
That was Vienna, Austria Recursion Jun 2019 #16
O I C fescuerescue Jun 2019 #20
My kids share a room. Codeine Jun 2019 #17
Outta curiosity, what are the median rents for a 1, 2 and 3 bedroom apartment in So CA? LanternWaste Jun 2019 #18
I have a two bedroom Codeine Jun 2019 #19
One can get a 3 BR house where I live for $500 a month. Kaleva Jun 2019 #21
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