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In reply to the discussion: Why the Skittish Caucus is so Skittish About Impeachment. [View all]Gothmog
(179,337 posts)127. In the real world, you need 20 GOP Senators to vote to remove
That is not going to happen. In the real world, you can try trump and only need 12 carefully selected to convict based on evidence presented. Manafort was convicted with at least one serious trump supporter on the jury based on the evidence. These are two completely different standards.
As for a lack of a crystal ball, the polling is clear here
Link to tweet
Article of Impeachment are a stunt. Right now the polling shows only 27% favor an impeachment inquiry which is a far cry from actual article of impeachment. That number is up 10% percent from the prior polling which is some movement. 27% is not sufficient to win a congressional seat. Many moderate democrats are worried and for good reason. Right now it is my understanding that only 60+ house democrats favor an impeachment inquiry and that is not close to half of the caucus.
Moderate democrats have reason to worry
Link to tweet
Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN) will entertain the idea of impeaching President Trump when hes sure enough votes exist in the GOP-controlled Senate to convict him. Which is to say, not anytime soon.
Were not anywhere close, Peterson told The Daily Beast as he exited the House floor on Tuesday. Hes been pressing his colleagues in the House Democratic caucus to recognize that this simple fact should put impeachment fever to bed, for now. But he says he hasnt had much luck.....
But political concerns clearly are a factor for Democratic moderates and the leadership that is closely following their re-election prospects. Pelosi, for starters, has fed the idea that Trump would welcome impeachment because it would fire up his base heading into the 2020 election. Impeachment proponents scoff at that argument, stressing that historical data isnt conclusive that the public rallies to the president under fire. But polling data tends to show that the country right now isnt enamored with the idea. A new survey from a Michigan-based pollster found in that key swing state, over 41 percent of voters strongly oppose impeachment, while 27 percent strongly supported.
Were not anywhere close, Peterson told The Daily Beast as he exited the House floor on Tuesday. Hes been pressing his colleagues in the House Democratic caucus to recognize that this simple fact should put impeachment fever to bed, for now. But he says he hasnt had much luck.....
But political concerns clearly are a factor for Democratic moderates and the leadership that is closely following their re-election prospects. Pelosi, for starters, has fed the idea that Trump would welcome impeachment because it would fire up his base heading into the 2020 election. Impeachment proponents scoff at that argument, stressing that historical data isnt conclusive that the public rallies to the president under fire. But polling data tends to show that the country right now isnt enamored with the idea. A new survey from a Michigan-based pollster found in that key swing state, over 41 percent of voters strongly oppose impeachment, while 27 percent strongly supported.
The two seats that we flipped in Texas would likely be lost if we file articles of impeachment and trump is vindicated by a GOP controlled Senate.
I want to pick up additional house seats this term and not lose seats. Lizzie and Collin are both good people and it would be a shame to lose these House members. I have been on the phone with both of them (dialing for dollar calls) and they are class people. Collin was with Marc Elias' firm and was involved in the 2016 voter protection efforts.
I support Nancy Pelosi's position here. I also support calling witnesses to testify bout the Mueller report and seeing if we can get the polling to shift on the percentage of Americans who support an impeachment inquiry (which is a far cry from Article of Impeachment).
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If they don't impeach, we will lose the house next year and likely, the Presidency!
Meadowoak
Jun 2019
#2
Well, democrats can fight back. they don't HAVE to SURRENDER the narrative to Trump or Fox News
kennetha
Jun 2019
#40
They're refusing (at least so far) to start holding impeachment inquiries
Proud Liberal Dem
Jun 2019
#117
And risk losing 40 moderate seats that gave the Democrats control of the House?
Gothmog
Jun 2019
#17
Yup, several seats in PA could easily be at risk if we hypermotivate the right
Amishman
Jun 2019
#26
Are you speculating we could lose all 40 seats in the House? Or maybe 15, 10, 7, 5?
Nevermypresident
Jun 2019
#34
Every single Democrat in the House is and will be targeted by the GOP, with or without impeachment,
Nevermypresident
Jun 2019
#45
If trump is able to claim vindication by being found not guilty by the GOP senate, he could win
Gothmog
Jun 2019
#52
Well, you got one of your sentences correct! What I think will happen if we pursue
Nevermypresident
Jun 2019
#120
Just curious where you're getting that only 27% of people support impeachment?
Turin_C3PO
Jun 2019
#119
CNN poll last week showed 79% of Democrats want Impeachment proceedings.
Nevermypresident
Jun 2019
#129
Oh goodness! Now you implying that we will lose the majority in the House, not have a
Nevermypresident
Jun 2019
#137
We are fortunate that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are calling the shots here
Gothmog
Jun 2019
#138
It takes 20 GOP votes to remove trump and without these votes, trump will claim vindication
Gothmog
Jun 2019
#18
Trump will claim vindication no matter what dems do and to hurt Red Don and KGOP ...
uponit7771
Jun 2019
#37
Your guess as to her motives is based in large part on your judgement of her. (nt)
ehrnst
Jun 2019
#24
Actually, no. One can have someone's statement, or confirmation of their motives or reasoning.
ehrnst
Jun 2019
#66
Timing also figures into doing the right thing, or else we might end up worse off
ehrnst
Jun 2019
#22
Will you or anyone you know vote differently in 2020 because of Pelosi's actions?
marylandblue
Jun 2019
#31
They might. Especially marginal democrats, who sit out many elections unless strongly aroused.
kennetha
Jun 2019
#39
No I mean people who only lightly identify as democrats and are open to voting Republican.
kennetha
Jun 2019
#93
I say they should try to Crush Trump in just the way you did with your narcissist.
kennetha
Jun 2019
#42