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customerserviceguy

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33. Medicare also works

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:00 PM

Jun 2019

because of non-Medicare patients in any hospital or doctor's office. Their insurance pays more than what Medicare will reimburse. They subsidize Medicare patients, in effect, allowing medical service providers to take in a fair share of Medicare patients without going broke.

That was Delaney's point last night, and I have seen no refutation of it.

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How would Medicare for All Work? Medicare today is viable because people have paid 30+ years into [View all] still_one Jun 2019 OP

Cut the military to pay for it. Blues Heron Jun 2019 #1

+1000 Meadowoak Jun 2019 #2

Medicare already exceeds the entire defense budget Recursion Jun 2019 #3

Don't we pay more Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #7

For the most part, yeah Recursion Jun 2019 #13

$55,000 is kind of low. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #18

And that's why we pay twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the world Recursion Jun 2019 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Jun 2019 #45

I don't see why you think that matters Recursion Jun 2019 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Jun 2019 #62

Ask Canada. moondust Jun 2019 #4

Actually The Canadian system would be most compatible wither ours, though I think we should not still_one Jun 2019 #29

Here in BC, it's only good if you can find a family physician OnlinePoker Jun 2019 #35

Thanks for that insight. I had the impression it was managed differently in Canada than UK still_one Jun 2019 #37

Several things.... Sancho Jun 2019 #5

I'm all for loan forgiveness for health care profesisonals. Federal tax exemptions on their incomes. Yavin4 Jun 2019 #14

And there's the rub Recursion Jun 2019 #15

This is why Medicare for all will never happen, unfortunately. Doctor/Pharma/Hospital lobbies Blaukraut Jun 2019 #19

Regarding the "most are for profit" part ... sl8 Jun 2019 #39

Non-profit does not equal no profit DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #49

Instead of paying premiums to private insurers... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #6

Employers do not actually pay anything towards the workers medical insurance. Everyman Jackal Jun 2019 #64

How is current for profit Health Care viable then? edhopper Jun 2019 #8

Medicare enables a *huge* for-profit healthcare industry Recursion Jun 2019 #21

As they are in every country that has Universal Healthcare. edhopper Jun 2019 #24

Premiums paid to private insurance now would fund Medicare, instead. Goodheart Jun 2019 #9

Except they wouldn't just magically do that Recursion Jun 2019 #63

Has their been given snowybirdie Jun 2019 #10

And thousands would be added in the actual medical field Johonny Jun 2019 #17

I love my job! forthemiddle Jun 2019 #28

I do not understand why we have to detail anything at this time? Even if someone Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #11

I am asking a general question, I am intentionally NOT relating it to the still_one Jun 2019 #12

I'm sorry - you are right - I went off on a tangent. Carry on ! :) Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #16

Not a problem. From my perspective it is very complicated, and just trying to get a little bit of still_one Jun 2019 #22

Hey, at least we're talking about it, MfAll, etc., and all the repugs want to do is dismantle ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #27

Harder to build than to just stop helping people. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #44

How does single payer healthcare work in every country that has it? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2019 #23

Isn't Medicare today a government health insurance program for most people 65 or older, still_one Jun 2019 #25

They paid the Medicare tax all that time Mariana Jun 2019 #60

One problem with that... moose65 Jun 2019 #61

Maybe you don't give a trillion dollars in tax cuts to fat cats and pay for medical care instead. Vinca Jun 2019 #26

They can pay taxes for Medicare buyin, or actuarily determined premiums. Hoyt Jun 2019 #30

I agree mostly with what you are saying, but I think we should leave Medicare alone, and still_one Jun 2019 #31

Don't have an issue with that. Just not sure it's necessary. I'm on Medicare BTW. Hoyt Jun 2019 #32

Same here still_one Jun 2019 #34

Medicare also works customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #33

Exactly. The counter is, do docs have to make over $200K, does every hospital have to Hoyt Jun 2019 #36

Docs don't have to make $200k we can lower it to whatever society feels is right fescuerescue Jun 2019 #41

There is no other profession that all but guarantees that much money to start. Hoyt Jun 2019 #42

That's true. It's also the profession that demands the most upfront fescuerescue Jun 2019 #43

If we get where we need a million $200+K jobs in weapons development, we are screwed Hoyt Jun 2019 #47

Oh I agree fescuerescue Jun 2019 #48

"Our absolute best and brightest go to medicine" misanthrope Jun 2019 #57

For my 1,000th post - I think there's a flaw in your thinking moose65 Jun 2019 #38

Thank you for pointing out this flaw in thinking DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #50

Same way it does now. fescuerescue Jun 2019 #40

Ask the Government of Ontario. roamer65 Jun 2019 #46

I do NOT want Medicare as it exists now interfered with AT ALL. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #51

I agree with you, I don't want Medicare interferred with either. What I would not mind seeing still_one Jun 2019 #52

But the money you paid in is GONE moose65 Jul 2019 #72

Here's the tradeoff DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #53

Appreciate the historical perspective. I do not agree with your assessment that health insurers still_one Jun 2019 #55

The insurance companies are making money DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #59

I'm afraid your assumptions are not based in reality graeme_macquarrie Jun 2019 #65

Here in PA, a BCBS in central PA was sitting on billions DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #66

Those billions are reserves... graeme_macquarrie Jun 2019 #68

Rendell sure didn't believe they were ordinary "reserves" DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #70

Medicare has been "contracted out" since day 1.. graeme_macquarrie Jun 2019 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2019 #54

II tend to agree still_one Jun 2019 #56

My first post!! :) America is built upon greed and selfishness. This isn't Europe. 5starlib Jun 2019 #67

I think you're not wrong, but I also think it would be an acceptable tax increase Volaris Jun 2019 #69