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ehrnst

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41. Going to evade answering the question? Not surprised.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 10:21 PM
Jun 2019

But I'll play the game: What color is the sky in a world where there is only black and white, and throwing the welfare and health of at risk children under the bus for political principle is preferable to getting something that will improve their situation at all?

Perhaps in that world telling the GOP to shove it is worth letting the atrocities at the border continue with no congressional oversight and no additional administrative obligations to Democrats in congress, but people known as Democrats in this world prefer a humanitarian priority. For the most part.

Maybe you can tell us what the alternative to getting Senate approval for a bill to get into law in that world is, because you avoided the question that I asked by changing the subject - maybe it stumps you? Here it is again:

If you meant to type "defensless children" can you tell me what option is available to Democrats in congress that would satisfy your definition of "properly protecting" them? What other scenario was there?


To clarify - I'm talking about scenarios possible in this world.

In that world, are there news sources that allow you to learn about what is actually going on before ranting that there is nothing going on?

CPB Custody Act: Democrats unveil bill to bolster care of migrants in Border Patrol custody

Democrats hope their latest legislative effort, which is being spearheaded by California Rep. Raul Ruiz, will help prevent more deaths. The four-term lawmaker, a former emergency physician, denounced the conditions he has witnessed in detention facilities for migrants.
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If enacted, the legislation would set new minimum standards of medical procedures by Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the Homeland Security agency which oversees Border Patrol agents. The agency hires medical practitioners to conduct health screening on migrants and is also responsible for transporting sick people in its custody to nearby hospitals.

Under the bill, U.S. border authorities would need to ensure that migrants in high-risk populations like pregnant women, children, the elderly and those with serious medical conditions like HIV receive a health screening within three hours of their apprehension. All other migrants would need to receive a screening within 12 hours of their detention.

The screening would include an interview with the migrant, a psychological exam and screenings for vital signs like pulse, temperature, blood pressure and oxygen levels. The proposal also demands CBP ensure an interpreter is available during screenings if needed.

Currently, detained migrants usually receive these examinations, but not necessarily in these timeframes

Border officials would also need to have a licensed emergency care professional on call in case migrants need urgent medical attention, as well as emergency transportation in detention facilities or located within 30 minutes of the detention facility.

In addition to its provisions outlining medical care standards, the bill also calls for CBP to have sufficient drinking water, food, hygiene products and working and clean bathrooms for migrants in its custody. For migrants who are 12 years or older, border officials must be able to offer a daily diet consisting of three meals that together amount to no less than 2,000 calories.

The bill prohibits CBP from separating children from their adult relatives unless there are security concerns and says unaccompanied migrant children should not be detained with adults.

Under the proposal, CBP would need to ensure that victims of assault and sexual abuse receive psychological care, and that the psychical and mental health of LGBTQ migrants is protected.

Ruiz said he's hoping the requirements in his proposal will be included in a future humanitarian funding package for the situation at the U.S.-Mexico border, where officials have been overwhelmed for months due to an unprecedented surge of migrant families from Central America. Last month, apprehensions at the southern border reached a 13-year high.



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/democrats-unveil-bill-to-bolster-medical-care-of-migrants-in-border-patrol-custody/

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Thank you still_one Jun 2019 #1
Where were the Senate Democrats? mcar Jun 2019 #2
IKR? ehrnst Jun 2019 #3
What could it be? mcar Jun 2019 #8
They will vote when everyone is back from Miami. 2naSalit Jun 2019 #18
Shhh! You are blowing the OP's narrative. nt Gore1FL Jun 2019 #19
Is somebody unhappy with me? ehrnst Jun 2019 #21
I think false narratives are create division Gore1FL Jun 2019 #61
"Do you DU suck?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #96
Sorry, I missed the verb "Make" Gore1FL Jun 2019 #135
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed. ehrnst Jun 2019 #138
Please stop making DU suck. nt Gore1FL Jun 2019 #140
You think DU sucks? ehrnst Jun 2019 #141
Post removed Post removed Jun 2019 #142
It's sweet that you're still trying to get my attention by ehrnst Jun 2019 #143
Bye. Gore1FL Jun 2019 #144
.... ehrnst Jun 2019 #145
Trump has been saying that it's in Democrats' hands. They wanted scenario two. betsuni Jun 2019 #4
Salivating for it, I imagine. ehrnst Jun 2019 #13
Everything you wrote is true. betsuni Jun 2019 #20
This is a great and completely true post. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #23
+++ nt brer cat Jun 2019 #85
Stellar post, ehrnst! PunkinPi Jun 2019 #121
Pretty much my thoughts,too. It boggles my mind that so many Democrats are upset.... George II Jun 2019 #5
Her not getting anything through the Senate would be called a "defeat" also. ehrnst Jun 2019 #27
Thank you StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #6
She plays the long game...and needed to relieve the situation at the border. lapucelle Jun 2019 #7
The long game doesn't register with "Give me red meat RIGHT NOW" crowd ehrnst Jun 2019 #15
Maybe we need a woman Leader in the Senate? True Blue American Jun 2019 #28
I wish that some of the POTUS candidates ehrnst Jun 2019 #45
even non-human, if not traitorous Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #66
BTW, even CNN's pundits paused their mcar Jun 2019 #9
Goodness! Sacrificing a clickbait headline for actual analysis that acknowledges the horror at ehrnst Jun 2019 #30
Thank you for clarifying so thoughtfully LibFarmer Jun 2019 #10
K&R nt NYMinute Jun 2019 #11
Mahalo, ehrnst! Cha Jun 2019 #12
He really knows his facts True Blue American Jun 2019 #26
He does indeed StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #32
:) True Blue American Jun 2019 #35
That means a lot, Star. ehrnst Jun 2019 #46
So very nice True Blue American Jun 2019 #69
Lots of hysteria and knee jerk lashing out from many... ehrnst Jun 2019 #95
The media is calling it a 'stunning defeat' for Pelosi leftstreet Jun 2019 #14
If she had not accepted the Senate compromise, it would also have been called a 'defeat' ehrnst Jun 2019 #16
Truth! True Blue American Jun 2019 #70
The right answer Midnightwalk Jun 2019 #124
Exactly and thank you. ismnotwasm Jun 2019 #17
Emotions are high. That shuts down the logic lobe and activates the fight or flight reaction. ehrnst Jun 2019 #31
The important thing True Blue American Jun 2019 #71
But I'd like to know exactly where these funds are going. defacto7 Jun 2019 #22
You think that emergency funding legislation that has more congressional oversight is worse than ehrnst Jun 2019 #24
Was there anything in there for actually getting Lars39 Jun 2019 #34
Pelosi got the Democratic administrative changes into the bill, according to one report ehrnst Jun 2019 #40
Not in the bill, just a promise! ilmare2000 Jun 2019 #64
It's been made public, so there's that pressure. He's planning on running for POTUS ehrnst Jun 2019 #79
It's been made public? atreides1 Jun 2019 #114
You don't think that it will get into the bill. That would support your anger about this whole thing ehrnst Jun 2019 #117
Pence didn't promise it would be in the bill fishwax Jun 2019 #127
I stand corrected. However: ehrnst Jun 2019 #128
I didn't see it, but it might still be in there Lars39 Jun 2019 #67
You actually got all that from my simple question? defacto7 Jun 2019 #62
Look in here? Says restrictions...trump doesn't like Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #75
Thanks. I'll give it a read. defacto7 Jun 2019 #133
So you're not going to answer the questions. Got it. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2019 #80
You are right Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #36
So you can't answer the question I asked either? ehrnst Jun 2019 #37
Huh? Didn't read, sorry. Stopped reading Pelosi lobbying. Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #39
Not sure what any of that means, but here are the questions that the person you agreed with hasn't ehrnst Jun 2019 #42
I most certainly have not. defacto7 Jun 2019 #63
It's really best to ignore it D7. Learned my lesson Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #74
You sure posted on "it's" OP. If you actually wanted to ignore "it" ehrnst Jun 2019 #84
Where had you answered my questions when I posted the above? ehrnst Jun 2019 #83
Did not read Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #86
What are you talking about? Are you answering for DeFacto? ehrnst Jun 2019 #87
I really have no idea why my question was attacked. defacto7 Jun 2019 #65
Who attacked you? ehrnst Jun 2019 #92
+1, they confuse being a fan with being a chearleader uponit7771 Jun 2019 #104
"They?" Who is they? People who don't agree with you? ehrnst Jun 2019 #107
"running blindly?" Is that another way of saying that they don't think like you? ehrnst Jun 2019 #106
I can only say Thank you True Blue American Jun 2019 #25
Thank you for the kind words... ehrnst Jun 2019 #43
Re; "She chose the one "defeat" out of the two "defeat" scenarios" JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #29
Did you notice that "defeat" is in quotes? ehrnst Jun 2019 #33
What color is the sky orangecrush Jun 2019 #38
Going to evade answering the question? Not surprised. ehrnst Jun 2019 #41
Goodbye orangecrush Jun 2019 #76
Leaving sure beats articulating and defending a position, doesn't it? ehrnst Jun 2019 #77
If I had a Nancy clap-back thingy I would give it to you! JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #60
Well, he/she has decided to cut losses and make a dash for the exit. ehrnst Jun 2019 #78
in the world where people twist themselves into pretzels to defend someone Skittles Jun 2019 #136
Hi Skittles! orangecrush Jun 2019 #137
HOWDY orangecrush! Skittles Jun 2019 #139
Are we sure the kids are actually going to benefit from that money? Ligyron Jun 2019 #44
They won't even get a spoonful of crema on their frijoles from it... BamaRefugee Jun 2019 #47
You seem very sure. Do you know something that Democrats in the House and Senate don't? ehrnst Jun 2019 #49
To believe it will happen is to assume that Mitch McConnell is telling the truth. And Trump. BamaRefugee Jun 2019 #51
And because you think this is a real thing, that means that there isn't any way that any legislation ehrnst Jun 2019 #58
They DIDN'T "pass your silly bill". They said "Pass OUR bill, and then, even though it's not written BamaRefugee Jun 2019 #68
NYT is hardly "private," don't you think? ehrnst Jun 2019 #81
Read all the bill, there's are few written checks in it for the white house outside of what they're uponit7771 Jun 2019 #101
Come back and bite who? The 16 progressive caucus members who voted yes? ehrnst Jun 2019 #105
Yes, those 16 will have to explain why the voted for funds to the holding centers that are uponit7771 Jun 2019 #109
That's the House bill, not the Senate bill. ehrnst Jun 2019 #118
The house approved the senate bill as is, do you understand the words that are coming ... uponit7771 Jun 2019 #132
It's the House bill that passed Congress.The Senate amended and passed the House bill 2 days ago. sl8 Jun 2019 #134
They missed the part about True Blue American Jun 2019 #72
Which we trust they will follow?! and no Harris was not wrong on the principle of desegregating uponit7771 Jun 2019 #102
You 'bet?' ehrnst Jun 2019 #50
Do you think many people here have actually read the legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #52
Some certainly talk like they have - they make pronouncements about how there is NOTHING ehrnst Jun 2019 #54
No, and neither has the Press. True Blue American Jun 2019 #73
No, there's few stipulations in the bill that the Trump admin can be trusted to keep and there's uponit7771 Jun 2019 #100
Notice how you get more condescension than a straight answer to your question. There are a crew uponit7771 Jun 2019 #103
Like there are certain people who follow others around on DU ehrnst Jun 2019 #108
Sadly, in some quarters, it is a sport to attack Nancy Pelosi Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #48
False dichotomy, there's little reason to believe the kids will not CONTINUE to suffer as they have. uponit7771 Jun 2019 #53
Wrong. There's 100% reason to believe the kids WILL CONTINUE to suffer if NOTHING is done. ehrnst Jun 2019 #55
Giving money to Red Don is ***NOT*** doing something its rational NOT to trust Trump. I understand uponit7771 Jun 2019 #56
I think you have forgotten our previous conversation where I informed you ehrnst Jun 2019 #57
Sigh and :rolleyes:, you're back on NGO's I'm not. There's no reason to believe children will not uponit7771 Jun 2019 #59
Sighs and :rolls eyes: you're back lecturing about things you don't understand ehrnst Jun 2019 #82
"It sounds like you want to be proven right", what kind of capitulation is this E!? Whatever, if no uponit7771 Jun 2019 #98
You've said that repeatedly, yet have offered nothing other than ehrnst Jun 2019 #111
You didn't answer the question asked in my post either uponit7771 Jun 2019 #113
So you don't have any actual alternative legislation that you claim could pass the Senate ehrnst Jun 2019 #120
Still didn't answer the question uponit7771 Jun 2019 #131
But would you be saying they did nothing if they did not do this? treestar Jun 2019 #89
No, if they were making the case to the American people that concentration camps were immoral uponit7771 Jun 2019 #97
Again with the hand wringing for no reason... ehrnst Jun 2019 #116
Under the circumstances, she did the right thing. Vinca Jun 2019 #88
Yes. I bet if Scenario 2 the same people treestar Jun 2019 #90
Yep. ehrnst Jun 2019 #91
Text of H.R. 3401, S.Amdt.901 sl8 Jun 2019 #93
I don't understand how this is a defeat Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #94
This is money handed to the Trump admin with very little stipulations, there's no reason to believe uponit7771 Jun 2019 #99
Can you share the text of the bill that you're referring to? ehrnst Jun 2019 #110
:rolleyes: ... checks are NOT in the bill ... that's the issue !!! uponit7771 Jun 2019 #112
You are talking about text of a bill... and you haven't seen it? ehrnst Jun 2019 #122
Yes I have, I even linked it to you , E ... the distraction process is beyond old uponit7771 Jun 2019 #130
There's no red meat at McDonalds. tazkcmo Jun 2019 #115
I would bet that only a small amount of those funds will make it to the kids. Hotler Jun 2019 #119
You "bet?" ehrnst Jun 2019 #123
I trust Speaker Pelosi on this issue Gothmog Jun 2019 #125
I generally trust NP's leadership, but think it's unfair to characterize dem opposition fishwax Jun 2019 #126
That was referring to many of the Democratic base, not those in congress. ehrnst Jun 2019 #129
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