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Gothmog

(176,838 posts)
57. We risk losing control of the House if we pursue impeachment without 20 GOP Senate votes
Tue Jul 9, 2019, 07:05 PM
Jul 2019

Article of Impeachment are a stunt. Right now the polling shows only 27% favor an impeachment inquiry which is a far cry from actual article of impeachment. That number is up 10% percent from the prior polling which is some movement. 27% is not sufficient to win a congressional seat. Many moderate democrats are worried and for good reason. Right now it is my understanding that only 60+ house democrats favor an impeachment inquiry and that is not close to half of the caucus.

Moderate democrats have reason to worry



Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN) will entertain the idea of impeaching President Trump when he’s sure enough votes exist in the GOP-controlled Senate to convict him. Which is to say, not anytime soon.

“We’re not anywhere close,” Peterson told The Daily Beast as he exited the House floor on Tuesday. He’s been pressing his colleagues in the House Democratic caucus to recognize that this simple fact should put impeachment fever to bed, for now. But he says he hasn’t had much luck.....

But political concerns clearly are a factor for Democratic moderates and the leadership that is closely following their re-election prospects. Pelosi, for starters, has fed the idea that Trump would welcome impeachment because it would fire up his base heading into the 2020 election. Impeachment proponents scoff at that argument, stressing that historical data isn’t conclusive that the public rallies to the president under fire. But polling data tends to show that the country right now isn’t enamored with the idea. A new survey from a Michigan-based pollster found in that key swing state, over 41 percent of voters strongly oppose impeachment, while 27 percent strongly supported.

The two seats that we flipped in Texas would likely be lost if we file articles of impeachment and trump is vindicated by a GOP controlled Senate.

I want to pick up additional house seats this term and not lose seats. Lizzie and Collin are both good people and it would be a shame to lose these House members. I have been on the phone with both of them (dialing for dollar calls) and they are class people. Collin was with Marc Elias' firm and was involved in the 2016 voter protection efforts.

I support Nancy Pelosi's position here. I also support calling witnesses to testify bout the Mueller report and seeing if we can get the polling to shift on the percentage of Americans who support an impeachment inquiry (which is a far cry from Article of Impeachment).

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the question is how many democratic voters will say its a waste of time to vote? beachbum bob Jul 2019 #1
Would cutting a malignant tumor out of your body.. Maxheader Jul 2019 #2
But the bigger question is: kentuck Jul 2019 #3
One Dr. cuts you open - then the specialists Dr. McConnell refuses to... lame54 Jul 2019 #59
An acquittal of Trump would be a HUGE boost for Republicans next year Recursion Jul 2019 #4
Are there any facts that could come to light that would change your opinion? kentuck Jul 2019 #5
Unfortunately I agree. I trust Pelosi and our dem leaders to do the right thing for us Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #39
Only in God do I trust ... and I'm not even sure there is a God. Plus, Pelosi's wrong on this. KPN Jul 2019 #77
You think it will somehow increase the number of GOP voters? Ligyron Jul 2019 #66
We need to quit binary thinking. Hold the hearings right up until Election Day. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #83
That seems to be Pelosi's plan; I'm fine with it Recursion Jul 2019 #86
I couldn't agree more. world wide wally Jul 2019 #6
Trump would bellow loudly.... kentuck Jul 2019 #8
That is exactly what will happen Bettie Jul 2019 #11
No. People lobbying for impeachment NOW will take it that way. Republicans and many emmaverybo Jul 2019 #27
Impeachment without conviction is a losing strategy for democrats. boston bean Jul 2019 #7
We cannot make decisions out of fear or intimidation. kentuck Jul 2019 #10
⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ ⇧ spanone Jul 2019 #13
Umm. Impeachment does not remove him. Period end of story.That has nothing to do with fear. It is a boston bean Jul 2019 #14
That is like.... kentuck Jul 2019 #15
With lots of facts, man. boston bean Jul 2019 #16
What facts do you have that this will embolden Republicans to go to the polls? kentuck Jul 2019 #17
You people are in a dream durablend Jul 2019 #18
THIS!!! KPN Jul 2019 #79
I think impeachment weakens him. Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #26
And how do we beat him, by impeaching. If we don't impeach Meadowoak Jul 2019 #41
Well put. sagesnow Jul 2019 #81
Failure to at least open an inquiry will indeed suppress the youth vote Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #52
No question. Same with a Biden nomination. KPN Jul 2019 #80
Not if they hold hearings throughout election year, and don't vote Fiendish Thingy Jul 2019 #50
Yes! Yes! Yes! That is exactly what I have been saying! lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #84
Well isn't this post about impeachment? boston bean Jul 2019 #85
Give fodder? They don't need fodder. They make up more than enough of it on their own. In fact, KPN Jul 2019 #78
Positive either way: they get to keep their hands clean for the basket of ... marble falls Jul 2019 #9
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks watoos Jul 2019 #12
They have the same case Now to get the GJ material. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #19
Pelosi has said countless times she does not have the votes crazytown Jul 2019 #22
At least partly because she weilds her power and influence to undermine the idea Bradical79 Jul 2019 #29
It will depend on the hearings and how they build the case. LiberalFighter Jul 2019 #20
I agree with your conclusions. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #21
Dumpster IS being investigated by Congress on record.....right NOW. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #34
What I meant to say but didn't change it was.... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #40
Doubtful....the public has the attention span of a stick. AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #42
Yes the dotard is!! Thx for pointing that out Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #47
I think its a matter of timing Luka Boyd Jul 2019 #23
The repugs will not vote to convict trump in the senate. Period. trc Jul 2019 #24
Oh indeed ...the pukes will always vote their party and look the other way no matter Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #46
Negative Bradical79 Jul 2019 #25
Depends on how most people see it Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2019 #28
With aggressive and principled leadership it would mobilize far more Democrats than Republicans BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #30
Wouldn't impeachment at least allow for investigation? Troy The Raver Jul 2019 #31
There are several investigations going on right now AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #37
No one is paying attention to the current investigations Poiuyt Jul 2019 #48
It would be the same investigations... AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #55
I've never believed that the Democrats gain anything Crunchy Frog Jul 2019 #32
I don't see it as a matter of being weak only -IMHO I see it as playing the long game Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #44
If Epstein rats out Trump as a chlid rapist, that could get some Reps. to vote him out. Liberty Belle Jul 2019 #33
Epshit won't rat the Dumpster...that is pardon possibility AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #38
I think it would be a push.. stillcool Jul 2019 #35
I'm not qualified to make that determination. I wish I was. I'll defer to those who ehrnst Jul 2019 #36
Let's think ahead to the political ads the gopeee will run for the general Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #43
Impeachment has never been a positive of the impeached for the control of government ***NEVER*** uponit7771 Jul 2019 #45
That's correct Poiuyt Jul 2019 #49
POLITICO Playbook: New swing-district polling illustrates impeachment peril Gothmog Jul 2019 #51
Similar to Nixon, there's no good political reason against impeachment uponit7771 Jul 2019 #56
We risk losing control of the House if we pursue impeachment without 20 GOP Senate votes Gothmog Jul 2019 #57
There's no historical reference for this, claim all there impeachment processes uponit7771 Jul 2019 #60
Luckily it is Nancy Pelosi who gets to make this decision Gothmog Jul 2019 #62
We don't need the Senate to hurt Red Don and gop politically and uphold constitution uponit7771 Jul 2019 #63
We are fortunate that it is Speaker Pelosi who is making this decision Gothmog Jul 2019 #64
it doesn't matter how republicans are affected. only democrats. the latest research shows NEW Kurt V. Jul 2019 #53
Clinton's impeachment hurt Al Gore and other democrats Cetacea Jul 2019 #54
The Dems didn't lose congress in 2000 Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #58
They picked up five seats in 98 Cetacea Jul 2019 #67
+1, " they (republicans) again maintained control of the chamber's " uponit7771 Jul 2019 #69
They didn't gain any part of congress either in 98 or 2000 either, that's the point. Impeachment ... uponit7771 Jul 2019 #68
Dems gained seats in 98 and 2000 Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #70
Gaining net 3 seats changed nothing, gaining seats is not gaining control uponit7771 Jul 2019 #71
Still they were not hurt by the Clinton impeachment Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #74
This is false, dems gained no control of gov for nearly 3 election cycles post impeachment and uponit7771 Jul 2019 #88
No your measure is false Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #89
"You're basing everything thing on control" cause winning the game is better than just scoring uponit7771 Jul 2019 #90
It's not a game Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #91
WHOOOO CAAAARESSSS - the question should be, what is the right thing to do .... not fretting about Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2019 #61
I do know this. Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #65
My question is this Luka Boyd Jul 2019 #72
Impeachment zentrum Jul 2019 #73
It would hurt them. Against all logic, decency, and Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #75
I agree 100%. A frigging negative for Repugs hands down, unless House/Senate Dems really do KPN Jul 2019 #76
Well... we know it won't be... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #82
If your neighbors house is on fire do you put it out? rufus dog Jul 2019 #87
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