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marylandblue

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69. I agree that history has meaning, but with a thousand caveats.

Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:41 PM

Jul 2019

I love history. I study it a lot. And I've learned two things
1) Popular history is what most people think and is often very different from what historians think.
2) The judgements of both popular history and historians keep changing and is often very different from what the protagonists assumed it would be.

We don't know what people will think 100 years from now. There might not even be a United States in 100 years. We might be ashamed of what they think us. We might be appalled. They may disagree with each other about it. And 100 years after that, people might think something entirely different.

I really doubt that Pelosi is concerned about the judgement of history. If she is like most politicians and most of us on DU, she isn't thinking much past the next election. And that's as it should be.

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Okay, you're not going to like my opinion... [View all] brooklynite Jul 2019 OP

The purpose is to get the pukes on the record. mobeau69 Jul 2019 #1

To what purpose? brooklynite Jul 2019 #2

Nancy (and others?) thought it would be useful (sometime,) elleng Jul 2019 #8

It'll be on the record 100 years from now. lunatica Jul 2019 #27

So, given the choice of video of Trump's comments... brooklynite Jul 2019 #31

Historians and biographers will go to the Congressional Record lunatica Jul 2019 #61

...while real people will watch the videos. brooklynite Jul 2019 #74

Obviously. Who could possibly care about the future. lunatica Jul 2019 #76

I'll worry about the academic future after I worry about the realistic present. brooklynite Jul 2019 #79

Without googling, name one resolution in the 1919 Congressional Record. marylandblue Jul 2019 #46

It's a historical fact which can be googled by anyone including you lunatica Jul 2019 #60

Point is, nobody knows or cares what happened 100 years ago in Congress, marylandblue Jul 2019 #64

Historians and biographers will research the records lunatica Jul 2019 #67

I agree that history has meaning, but with a thousand caveats. marylandblue Jul 2019 #69

Evidently our opinions are different lunatica Jul 2019 #72

I guess it's a pet peeve of mine. marylandblue Jul 2019 #78

Well it was the year that women won the right to vote. olegramps Jul 2019 #96

It can be used against vulnerable R's in swing districts in 2020. NT herding cats Jul 2019 #39

But impeachment can't? jberryhill Jul 2019 #42

I didn't say that. herding cats Jul 2019 #43

and you were addressing exactly what the OP is about still_one Jul 2019 #53

who are "ordinary voters?" qazplm135 Jul 2019 #3

Trump is DEFINITELY not an issue most voters care about. brooklynite Jul 2019 #6

Trump may not be THE top issue qazplm135 Jul 2019 #12

I think your wrong. Trump's racist remarks are a smear on our country and should be called out and walkingman Jul 2019 #35

That may be Butterflylady Jul 2019 #36

+10000000 happy feet Jul 2019 #98

And that makes it true? jberryhill Jul 2019 #44

Do they understand that to move on "pocketbook" issues we will need strong majorities in both... Caliman73 Jul 2019 #45

It's the economy The Mouth Jul 2019 #93

Exactly. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #104

I tend to agree, elleng Jul 2019 #4

You're right about health care PJMcK Jul 2019 #54

"Ordinary voters." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #5

Ordinary voters don't hang out on political discussion blogs... brooklynite Jul 2019 #9

They don't usually contact their representatives, either. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #19

Two points: ordinary voters aren't watching and aren't particularly interested and, point 2, Vinca Jul 2019 #7

No President has been censured by a Congressional body since Andrew Jackson. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2019 #10

tRump loves Andrew Jackson, makes it appropriate somehow MiniMe Jul 2019 #14

Ditto n/t malaise Jul 2019 #32

It's not a censure motion though AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #25

How many people know that Jackson was censured? And how many even cared at the time? marylandblue Jul 2019 #48

The House vote was not a censure. former9thward Jul 2019 #59

Oh goody, so we'll put Trump on the $20 bill then jberryhill Jul 2019 #82

No. We'll put him on the counterfeit $20 bill Generic Brad Jul 2019 #102

It matters jcgoldie Jul 2019 #11

I kinda see your point TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #13

what are "pocketbook issues" that the GOP and Dems would agree on? maxsolomon Jul 2019 #15

As someone said earlier, individual statements are fine but a House resolution is for history. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2019 #16

It matters to me. DURHAM D Jul 2019 #17

The fact that you are posting on a political blog shows that you're not "ordinary". brooklynite Jul 2019 #38

Everyone is an ordinary voter. EOS DURHAM D Jul 2019 #40

Got your finger on the pulse of the "ordinary voter", do you? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #71

Well, as I've said before, I talk to dozens of candidates and elected officials... brooklynite Jul 2019 #73

Data. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #75

Ordinary voters are not glued to C-span. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #18

"Ordinary voters" SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #20

You don't speak for me.......about the not liking your opinion part, I mean. WillowTree Jul 2019 #21

This leftofcool Jul 2019 #28

"See, this is why we can't impeach." BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #22

Thank you. cwydro Jul 2019 #51

Thank you! Bettie Jul 2019 #55

The House has passed plenty of bills on "pocketbook" issues DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #23

100% correct. THIS is the message Democrats need to push every opportunity PA Democrat Jul 2019 #56

Sen Smith really gave a great litany of why McConnell DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #70

You are correct, I don't like this post. watoos Jul 2019 #24

I agree. This infighting shit and worrying about what Trumps says is how we lose. leftofcool Jul 2019 #26

I understand your point. However, a formal condemnation is in order. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #29

We can't normalize this stuff many a good man Jul 2019 #30

What is an "ordinary voter" ? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #33

White men jberryhill Jul 2019 #83

Property owning White men? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #88

It's on 'permanent record'.. Congressional Record. Can't be expunged. n/t JustFiveMoreMinutes Jul 2019 #34

You're correct. I don't like your opinion. Goodheart Jul 2019 #37

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #41

No it will be the purists that lose us the election in 20 Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #65

Isn't this a just a start of the battles ahead? Maybe not the win but marked50 Jul 2019 #47

I think we should do it just to show where the Democratic Party stands in agreement. marylandblue Jul 2019 #49

I'm shocked you feel this way. RhodeIslandOne Jul 2019 #50

I don't agree at all. Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #52

Pelosi thinks this substitutes choie Jul 2019 #57

Why wasn't this done for kids in cages, BTW? ecstatic Jul 2019 #58

It wasn't done for the type of ordinary voters you are speaking of. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #62

You're totally right TheFarseer Jul 2019 #63

I agree with your point Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #66

An ordinary person* watching the ABC News story about this that I just saw betsuni Jul 2019 #68

You're right hatrack Jul 2019 #77

You are correct--I will ignore you henceforth since I no longer consider your opinions to be helpful Ponietz Jul 2019 #80

I find that honesty and reality are a good baseline.... brooklynite Jul 2019 #90

I actually agree. As long as the economy is doing so well for so many... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #81

The House Has Passed Quite a Number of Bills to Address Pocketbook Issues dlk Jul 2019 #84

How did you know? greyl Jul 2019 #85

Totally agree. nt Raine Jul 2019 #86

In the end, all it is is yet another sternly worded letter. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #87

It's not an either/or proposition Martin Eden Jul 2019 #89

"this is unpopular, but it's my opinion that two plus two equals five" LanternWaste Jul 2019 #91

Just say "white" instead of "ordinary" Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #92

The House of Representatives JGug1 Jul 2019 #94

It's not a matter H2O Man Jul 2019 #95

I disagree. We are an important point in the future of our nation. olegramps Jul 2019 #97

Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #99

Essentially you're saying voters don't care about racism Stargleamer Jul 2019 #100

Well reasoned. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #101

I fully agree with you. And also agree that you'll get slammed for this sane opinion. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #103

Maybe you're right about ordinary voters. They might say this is why they don't like Congress. Today ancianita Jul 2019 #105