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101. As I Said...

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 01:01 AM

Jul 2019

I really don't think we're in fundamental disagreement (except for characterizing it as a BFD).

As obnoxious and reprehensible as Trump's comments were, they didn't constitute an impeachable offense. And I completely agree with you that Pelosi did what had to be done and is to be commended for it.

It's the proclamations that "War is over! War is over!" that have got me in a funk. War is not close to over. Trump solidifies his grasp on power with each passing day, and I fear that, while the timing must be right, waiting for the optimum time may be too late.

In all candor, I feared fascism from the day Trump was "elected". And I took a lot of flak for being a conspiracy nut wearing a tinfoil hat. But, here we are. Witnesses ignore lawfully issued subpoenas and refuse to testify. Subpoenas for documents are ignored; the documents are not produced. Obstruction of justice is becoming a weekly event. And so on ad nauseum.

I fear for our democracy. I just hope we don't miscalculate and wait too long to save it.

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Nancy Pelosi just played Donald Trump and the House GOP like a fiddle [View all] mcar Jul 2019 OP

So... please be remember this, how she stood up to dotard, and for her members. Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #1

+1 mcar Jul 2019 #2

Give Folks a Day or Two and They'll Be Right Back to Second Guessing Pelosi. Indykatie Jul 2019 #5

Correct! murielm99 Jul 2019 #11

I Don't Need a Day or Two ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #73

Trump remains in power even if impeachment proceedings are begun StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #77

I'm Well Aware Of That ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #80

I don't necessarily disagree with you that he should be impeached StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #82

And I Don't Necessarily Disagree With You ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #86

This wasn't about taking Trump down. This was about standing up for her caucus StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #94

As I Said... ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #101

+1! mcar Jul 2019 #138

I know how you feel, but I've decided to trust Pelosi's political instincts. Chemisse Jul 2019 #108

How would we lose the election by impeaching? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #118

Here is what Trump could argue if we impeached (and of course the Senate voted down): Chemisse Jul 2019 #120

That's why I support the idea of just taking the Mueller Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #122

The Barr rollout of the report was a disaster for us. Chemisse Jul 2019 #129

Yes, that was played perfectly. Yet we will never know Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #137

Good post, FoxNewsSucks Jul 2019 #147

This whole thread is full of smart analysis. Can't disagree with this assessment. joost5 Jul 2019 #158

I meant this reply to be for this post. Oops! FoxNewsSucks Jul 2019 #159

Why would it put a halt into the investigations? On the contrary, it would open the vaults Perseus Jul 2019 #114

Once an impeachment is completed, there will be no more investigations StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #155

Please read starfishsaver's post #77, just below yours. This is correct. it won't rid us of him Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #81

Professional left ... DaDeacon Jul 2019 #156

They need to focus DownriverDem Jul 2019 #171

Indeedy. blue neen Jul 2019 #3

It does feel like he walked right into it. Baitball Blogger Jul 2019 #4

So much for the "strategy" mcar Jul 2019 #6

So the strategy was to make it him against the "socialists". Chemisse Jul 2019 #109

And got House Rs on record as supporting racism mcar Jul 2019 #139

More like he stepped IN it. George II Jul 2019 #12

It's great because it passed... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #7

So the "chaotic spectacle" in the House today Control-Z Jul 2019 #8

and...and this is a big and...people in this country who don't pay much Raven Jul 2019 #9

Dems have a lot of fodder for ads mcar Jul 2019 #141

She played the GOP like a fiddle. sheshe2 Jul 2019 #10

Good job as usual Nancy. comradebillyboy Jul 2019 #13

Well played. brer cat Jul 2019 #14

And it got everyone talking about him again. Vdizzle Jul 2019 #15

This does nothing angrychair Jul 2019 #16

What about Trump's taxes and Deutsche Bank records? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #26

You have no idea what's going on. This is for the record: rule of law vs scofflaw; party vs party. ancianita Jul 2019 #60

Thanks, ancianita, for your perceptive and intelligent post. I'm tired of the Pelosi pot- shotters. NBachers Jul 2019 #68

Yes thank you.. me too sick and tired of arm chair politicians snarking at Speaker Pelosi Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #84

To be clear angrychair Jul 2019 #151

IF running out the clock is all we got ... LenaBaby61 Jul 2019 #165

I'm very aware of who trump is angrychair Jul 2019 #78

Absolutely no need? What kind of 2020 turnout are you imagining. I'm seeing people who aren't ancianita Jul 2019 #97

You think the Speaker taking the rare step of censuring a president because of racist comments he StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #99

It wasn't a censuring....it was a resolution to condem the tweets & comments AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #166

You are SO right! And the critical flaw is the demoralizing Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #115

You're absolutely right brutus smith Jul 2019 #144

very good insight bdamomma Jul 2019 #123

Well said! mcar Jul 2019 #142

neither will impeachment, as long as Moscow Mitch runs that show. nt Baltimike Jul 2019 #126

I respectfully disagree angrychair Jul 2019 #140

I respectfully disagree Baltimike Jul 2019 #167

Sorry, what? angrychair Jul 2019 #168

To be a bit more clear... Baltimike Jul 2019 #169

I'm generally not keen on the Palmer Report Brother Buzz Jul 2019 #17

I hope that Madame Pelosi created a learning moment for herself. Goodheart Jul 2019 #18

No so not worth losing the house...and having the dotard win a second term...when he will stay after Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #22

She won't lose the House any more with an impeachment vote than she did today with a racism vote. Goodheart Jul 2019 #24

A "racism vote" won't end with an acquittal in the Senate and an end to investigations StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #33

Agree! madam speaker stood up to racism and publicly supported her members. Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #85

Well said nt Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #127

Nothing is ever enough for some, SS mcar Jul 2019 #143

Bingo! StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #157

Yep. Too many just look for something to complain about NastyRiffraff Jul 2019 #170

Yep. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #89

Impeachment isn't popular and those who believe that magically, the country will wake up and support Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #135

That is not true...impeachment is not popular and we are too close to an election...you might feel Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #132

Holding criminal scum accountable will NOT lose the House. FoxNewsSucks Jul 2019 #55

Tell that to the 20 or so House Dems Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #128

Exactly...people need to consider the political implications of impeaching Trump...and they could Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #133

like Katie Porter? FoxNewsSucks Jul 2019 #148

And she is just one vote nt Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #154

Moderates gave us the house...in their districts...impeachment is not popular period...Impeaching Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #131

"Moderation" cost us in 2010 FoxNewsSucks Jul 2019 #149

No it didn't Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #153

People on the left cost us 2010...there was no way to get a single payer or a public option and Demsrule86 Jul 2019 #162

The Speaker doesn't need to create a "learning moment" for herself. She knows what she's doing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #28

Amen! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #45

StarfishSaver, you've turned into one of the posters I rely on for well-informed perspective. NBachers Jul 2019 #69

I've been reading his posts for months ProfessionalLeft Jul 2019 #113

+1000 RelativelyJones Jul 2019 #79

"and trying to explain to her how she should do her job" true that (NT) stopdiggin Jul 2019 #163

Well done, Madam Speaker Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2019 #19

Republicans looked like they didn't know what they were doing. betsuni Jul 2019 #20

I have a theory on that... TheCowsCameHome Jul 2019 #23

What happens when Republicans are in charge: betsuni Jul 2019 #31

That's hysterical, and to think it was produced 8 years ago, before things got MUCH worse. George II Jul 2019 #121

Nancy had them on the ropes! Cha Jul 2019 #103

That first tweet! betsuni Jul 2019 #105

They don't get it.. pure and simple. Cha Jul 2019 #106

Me too. betsuni Jul 2019 #107

Hooray! PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #21

I assume you ask the same question about impeachment? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #29

Love it! Don't call out the criminal because you're Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #43

Good one !!! He could not care less. Being one Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #39

Hoarse says: Ponietz Jul 2019 #46

Unless I missed it he's been MIGHTY quiet ever since the vote. Steaming I suspect. George II Jul 2019 #25

Being essentially censured by the House BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #32

I think this fell just short of censure, but historically they are not too different.... George II Jul 2019 #48

Great background info! BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #100

Good Me. Jul 2019 #27

GOP, what countries do you want the four democrat Congresswomen to return to? keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #30

Democratic congresswomen, not democrat. (n/t) SMC22307 Jul 2019 #57

cue tweetstorm in the morning , in 5.4.3.2.1. AllaN01Bear Jul 2019 #34

I'm not against the resolution obviously but I hope people don't think of this as some end SweetieD Jul 2019 #35

True. The guy doesn't even care about laws or justice Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #38

tRump does care about his fragile ego, and this will sting! pazzyanne Jul 2019 #47

Refresh my memory on the brilliant acts? I do respect Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #50

If you play chess, you will understand. pazzyanne Jul 2019 #52

Why dodge the question? SMC22307 Jul 2019 #58

Do you play chess or checkers? pazzyanne Jul 2019 #66

May be like the move to block Trump's Emergency money stealing? Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #112

That is part of it. pazzyanne Jul 2019 #117

I was being facetious. Sadly. Trump's most effective Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #125

It is chess vs checkers. pazzyanne Jul 2019 #160

Throw the rubber stamp dolt, jamie herrera-beutler out on her lazy butt... Hulk Jul 2019 #36

the western border of WA-3 (the ocean) is the only Rethug-held part of the entire Pacific Coast Celerity Jul 2019 #40

A sad distinction. Hulk Jul 2019 #64

thanks for the background, and I would have assumed that Vancouver, due to being right across the Celerity Jul 2019 #71

Ooops...guess I was wrong about Long having been a state Senator. Hulk Jul 2019 #75

Vantucky, heh. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #102

#impeachtrump Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #37

K & R Iliyah Jul 2019 #41

His "brilliant" strategy backfires again. Chemisse Jul 2019 #111

Madame Speaker demigoddess Jul 2019 #42

It's settled Aussie105 Jul 2019 #44

11. Hold KAC, et al., in contempt for ignoring subpoenas Ponietz Jul 2019 #49

I definitely would add the Epstein connections. I personally dewsgirl Jul 2019 #53

This is a distraction. Agreed. Aussie105 Jul 2019 #62

He will always twist it so that in his own little mind he wins Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #88

Ok. Maybe she can join zentrum Jul 2019 #51

Just one small correction lunatica Jul 2019 #54

Perhaps even more powerful than the actual vote was the vote against the republicans... George II Jul 2019 #56

I Don't Get RobinA Jul 2019 #59

I assume you feel the same way about impeachment? StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #61

Depends On What RobinA Jul 2019 #116

Do people honestly believe this makes any difference? tymorial Jul 2019 #63

Why do you think this resolution is worthless but impeachment without removal StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #65

That is easy to answer angrychair Jul 2019 #72

Impeachment without conviction has no more legal ramifications than a resolution StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #76

+ JI7 Jul 2019 #83

Not true. I thought you were the expert. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #95

I do know this topic well StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #98

Hummm, yes I would like an answer to that as well Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #90

It's not useless jrandom421 Jul 2019 #67

It makes all the difference. Today is about what mcar's post said. I'll add what I told angrychair. ancianita Jul 2019 #70

Thank you!! Great voice, great reasoning.. maybe you should run for office!! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #91

And to bolster your argument... people are assuming there Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #119

Oh yes the Grand Master Plan. tymorial Jul 2019 #146

Some are pushing the idea that the ones privy to Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #150

tell us how we do this. again. stopdiggin Jul 2019 #164

No politician who gets into Twitter feuds with their own party members is "brilliant." MadDAsHell Jul 2019 #74

If you are speaking about madam speaker... that just isn't the case. Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #92

No Politician Who RobinA Jul 2019 #161

That's great. I gave the dotard my middle finger today and called the repukes racists. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #87

No... you are not playing chess ..yet. Speaker Pelosi is playing the long game. You cannot Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #93

I think this was a good win. egduj Jul 2019 #96

Nancy took point. Hell yeah. forgotmylogin Jul 2019 #104

I simply don't agree... BlueJac Jul 2019 #110

Ya, but only because the dick wad opened his mouth and let his racism fly. Hotler Jul 2019 #124

And the name of the game is his approvals. Evidently Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #130

I hoping he screws up big by letting the N-word fly. nt Hotler Jul 2019 #134

Was just thinking about that. Remember there Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2019 #136

I stand with Pelosi - she did a good job. Joe941 Jul 2019 #145

Yes, Madame Speaker!...now let's beat him like a drum! Guilded Lilly Jul 2019 #152